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Analysts Warn of "Struggle" for Xbox - Jun.-9th-2008 1:25:48   
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Analysts warn of "struggle" for Xbox

Senior industry analysts have voiced concerns over the future of Microsoft's Xbox business, labeling the US firm's attempts to market 360 to casual audiences "disastrous", and predicting that the console will "start to struggle in the market" over the coming year.

Speaking during a panel session at last month's Nordic Game 2008 conference in Malmo, Sweden, analysts covering the UK, Europe and North America were called upon to assess the current state of the global games market, and predict key trends for the next 12-18 months. And for Microsoft, the picture in their crystal ball was anything but rosy.

"When you look at an installed base basis, the Xbox 360's going to come in third place when all's said and done," said DFC Intelligence analyst David Cole. "The concern I would have with a company like Microsoft is, one of these days they're going to have to make a profit on this business otherwise why are they in it?"

Nick Parker, MD of Parker Consulting and an analyst for Screen Digest, argued that 360's failure to succeed in key continental Europe territories pointed to a fundamental image problem. "The trouble with Xbox 360 is it hasn't managed to shake off this urban, irreverent adult male feel; so it hasn't gained traction in the more casual gaming markets of mainland Europe such as France, Spain and Italy, where it's stalled," he said. "And there are already rumours of Xbox 360 being delisted from certain retailers."

Parker, a former VP of strategic planning at Sony Europe, maintained that Microsoft had failed to learn from the mistakes of its first console: "I think they started off badly with the Xbox itself: blood and breasts. This alienated it immediately to a lot of consumers around Europe, and they never got over that. The brand image never went away. And although Halo 3 is a big game, it just emphasises again what the Xbox is all about.
"If you go talk to people in Seville, in Rome, they're not interested in that. They're much more casual gamers, they don't want to have such competitive games."

Cole argued that, despite Microsoft's perceived failure to appeal beyond its core audience, it was still possible for publishers to do strong business in 360's bread-and-butter areas. "If you're doing a first-person shooter title, you're clearly going to want to be on Xbox 360, and that's for years to come," he offered. "[But] their efforts at marketing outside of the first-person shooter crowd have been disastrous." In March, Microsoft hired former Nintendo Europe boss David Gosen to spearhead its drive for casual gamers on the continent.

While 360 remains particularly strong in its home US market and the UK, bitter rival Sony's PlayStation 3 has overtaken it on installed base in other territories, despite launching over a year later. Sony Europe boss David Reeves claimed last month that the console had already surpassed 360's sales across Europe.
Globally, Xbox 360 has sold through over 19 million units since it launched in November 2005. Sony revealed last month that it has sold 12.85 million PlayStation 3s since November 2006, with worldwide Wii hardware sales standing at 24.4 million units as of April 2008.

Xbox 360 last month hit the 10 million milestone in the US, prompting Xbox boss Don Mattrick to proclaim: "History has shown us that the first company to reach 10 million in console sales wins the generation battle." However, the panel accused Mattrick of "clutching at straws".

"[Microsoft] get very defensive because they realise the US is their last stronghold now as their sales go into decline across the rest of the world," said Parker. "So they're a little bit desperate and they're clutching at straws now to cling on to what they've got in the market which is primarily the US." Parker also pointed to the "tremendous brand loyalty to PlayStation" amongst its consumer base, causing many to hold off from entering the new generation until the release of their favourite brands, rather than buying an Xbox.

Asked whether there was any chance Microsoft might reconsider its place in the console business, Cole said: "I think there's always that risk. They will have to assess their position after this round, and clearly they were very committed to saying they were going to stick with this business through another console system. They haven't really talked much beyond that and I know that really at some point they are going to have to figure out how they're going to make money out of this business."

He added that DFC Intelligence expected to "see the Xbox 360 start to struggle in the market" over the next 12 months, but added that Sony faced a similar challenge into turning its PlayStation 3 business into profit.
Despite its huge success, the panel also sounded a note of caution over the long-term prospects of the Wii, specifically in relation to its portfolio and the gaming habits of its casual audience. "There's a risk that they [casual users] could actually put the Wii in the wardrobe if there isn't a steady stream of games that please them," argued Swedish games industry analyst Martin Lindell.

"You've got to remember there's a difference between buying and playing - the fact that you get your grandma to play the game doesn't mean she's going out to buy it," added Parker. "I'm still in that kind of faddish feeling about the Wii."
For Cole, Nintendo's historical issues with third-party support poses a risk: "It's a huge issue that Nintendo dominates the platforms they own, as that's how they make all their money," he said. "We see the Wii having a higher installed base but the PS3 generating, by about 2010-11, more revenue in terms of software."

Microsoft did have one champion at the session, however. When the panel began criticising the multi-SKU strategies of Microsoft and Sony, with specific reference to the 360 Elite, a hitherto unusually silent Epic Games boss Mark Rein called out: "Are you guys crazy?", claiming that Elite had been the only profitable SKU for Microsoft. Parker responded by stating that the real issue was consumer confusion.

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http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/analysts-warn-of-struggle-for-xbox

With Gears 2 coming out do you think this is possible?



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RE: Analysts Warn of "Struggle" for Xbox - Jun.-9th-2008 3:02:03   
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I think we all know that the 360's going to lose this gen. Microsoft came into this gen looking to steal some market share, but as of yet, they've not done that since the 360 hasn't sold more than the original Xbox, but they should manage it.

Then again, imagine what the gaming industry would be like with Microsoft being the market leaders...

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RE: Analysts Warn of "Struggle" for Xbox - Jun.-9th-2008 3:05:23   
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Then again, imagine what the gaming industry would be like with Microsoft being the market leaders...


*shudder*

but in all seriousness microsoft doesnt know what gaming is, they think they do but they dont, they use the same techniques as they do with windows, they steal ideas from other companies

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RE: Analysts Warn of "Struggle" for Xbox - Jun.-9th-2008 3:12:07   
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Microsoft know where this industry is, but they haven't a clue where it's going. Believe it or not though, there are still quite a few gamers who won't buy a poor product, so the gaming insustry won't end up like the PC, owned by one corporation, who can basically put out whatever crap they want and know it's still going to sell, because the average consumer either knows know better, or simply has no choice, but to upgrade to the newest version of said product. That's how Microsoft survive. if the consumer had the power to change things, companies like Mocrosoft would be finished in a heartbeat.

Microsoft have, however, done one good thing for the computer industry, and that's making home PC's, and the software for them, affordable. Of course, the software sucks, since it's Microsoft, but still...

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RE: Analysts Warn of "Struggle" for Xbox - Jun.-9th-2008 3:27:24   
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I think we all know that the 360's going to lose this gen. Microsoft came into this gen looking to steal some market share, but as of yet, they've not done that since the 360 hasn't sold more than the original Xbox, but they should manage it.

Then again, imagine what the gaming industry would be like with Microsoft being the market leaders...


that will never happen

rather PC gaming is on the brink of extinction

Face it .........PS4 will feature a NEW ARCHITECTURE which will not be PC based

during its launch almost everyone will be a console gamer

Most developers have given up on PC . games like COD4/UT3/CRYSIS mega flopped on PC

AGE OF CONAN proved to be a mediocre game

Actually this is what happens when you challenge rivals who have Stronger Brand equity

I wont be surprised if PS4 ends up selling 10m units at launch in europe next gen

x360 might not be relevant after June 12th but MS did give SONY a scare in the first place

However SONY is on course for another console victory this gen too with sales REKINDLED by MGS4 and the other upcoming mega titles like Resistance 2 /Motorstorm 2 and LBP

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RE: Analysts Warn of "Struggle" for Xbox - Jun.-9th-2008 3:32:11   
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Xbox = Fail

Try again next generation

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RE: Analysts Warn of "Struggle" for Xbox - Jun.-9th-2008 3:40:44   
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Xbox = Fail

Try again next generation


that is if they are dumb enough

as muchas i like competition but sony wins, hands down, so what if the 360 hit 10 million in consoles, its the longevity of the console that matters, and i guarantee MS will announce the 720 with or around Windows 7

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RE: Analysts Warn of "Struggle" for Xbox - Jun.-9th-2008 3:46:04   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: AuToFiRE

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ORIGINAL: Maverick_

Xbox = Fail

Try again next generation


that is if they are dumb enough

as muchas i like competition but sony wins, hands down, so what if the 360 hit 10 million in consoles, its the longevity of the console that matters, and i guarantee MS will announce the 720 with or around Windows 7


that wont be helpful at all

Windows 7 wont take off just like Vista

there is too much competition

after this gen MS would have to fight aLONE FIGHT since PC gaming will be history after this gen

SONY wont rush PS4 since they know that MS has some loyals who would only purchase their consoles but others wont do so even if x360/720 costs half as much as PS3/PS4

rather SONY would wait for 2 years and make PS4 far superior to x720 --enough to completely kill competition

I think this will be MS last battle for console sales

Plus in the FUTURE EU would emerge as the largest gaming territory alongside INDIA /CHINA

just like in EU MS struggles with brand equity in INDIA /PAKISTAN and CHINA too --future gaming markets

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RE: Analysts Warn of "Struggle" for Xbox - Jun.-9th-2008 3:50:36   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LenHart

quote:

ORIGINAL: AuToFiRE

quote:

ORIGINAL: Maverick_

Xbox = Fail

Try again next generation


that is if they are dumb enough

as muchas i like competition but sony wins, hands down, so what if the 360 hit 10 million in consoles, its the longevity of the console that matters, and i guarantee MS will announce the 720 with or around Windows 7


that wont be helpful at all

Windows 7 wont take off just like Vista

there is too much competition

after this gen MS would have to fight aLONE FIGHT since PC gaming will be history after this gen

SONY wont rush PS4 since they know that MS has some loyals who would only purchase their consoles but others wont do so even if x360/720 costs half as much as PS3/PS4

rather SONY would wait for 2 years and make PS4 far superior to x720 --enough to completely kill competition

I think this will be MS last battle for console sales

Plus in the FUTURE EU would emerge as the largest gaming territory alongside INDIA /CHINA

just like in EU MS struggles with brand equity in INDIA /PAKISTAN and CHINA too --future gaming markets



MS is out for money, they dont care about the consumer, hence why not even two years later they have windows 7. knowing microshaft from back in the dos/3.x days they will do anything for a buck

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