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Destructoid Proves themselves extremely rude, Apparentl... - Jul.-8th-2008 15:46:17   
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I admit it. I hate the idea of pandering to so-called "casual gamers," I abhor how games like Big Beach Sports outsell Metal Gear Solid 4 and I absolutely detest artistic games suffering as publishers jump on the casual gravy train and abandon we who demand more from our gaming experiences.
Do you know what I hate more than the above, however? It's being made to feel like I'm not allowed to feel this way. It's being shamed for disliking what the Wii and third-party publishers have done because I am "scared" and "jealous" and bitter that the games industry is moving away from the "hardcore" and into the realm of the "casual" and there's nothing I can do about it. 
I've had enough of it. You know something? I am scared for the industry, and jealous of the casual attention, and very bitter indeed that many of the things I love about games are being pissed on by publishers. Ultimately, however, I am not ashamed. I'm not going to tread on eggshells for fear of looking like a "casual hater" anymore, and nor should anybody.
I've read a lot of smug and condescending bullshit lately, looking down on the so-called "hardcore" gamers because they're angry at the "casual" movement. We are told to accept the inevitable, that gaming isn't about "us" anymore and that we have to stop our whining because this is the way things are and nothing can change that.
Why? I like whining, and so do you. Don't try to deny it; you love complaining and bitching, and frankly, you're justified. Those of us who want to play games like Half-Life 2, Metal Gear Solid, BioShock or Final Fantasy are going to demand more from their games, and when all we get is some shallow, Wiimote-waving garbage from Ubisoft, we're going to feel cheated.
"Ah, but those games sell, so you have no right to complain," says the smug bastard who is so proud of himself for "getting" what casual games are all about and feels special because he's more progressive than everyone else. You know what though? ****. Him.  He might be comfortable with all that, but I'm not, and I'm sick of being made to feel ashamed for not liking the way things are headed. 
It is the way of all things, that when the mainstream get their hands on something, it gets watered down and overly packaged and retarded for their stupid brains. Oh, I'm sorry, did I dare suggest that videogames are being dumbed down? I forgot, I'm supposed to like the idea of Beyond Good & Evil 2 being simplified for "newcomers" who weren't ****ing supporting the game when it needed them to. Frankly, this crap is what turned rap and hip-hop into disgusting hateful sludge and pop music into bland and tasteless garbage.
I admit it -- I'm elitist and narrow-minded and selfish. But I am not afraid to admit it, either. I'm not ashamed to be what some call a "pretentious games-are-art fag" and I'm not ashamed to confess that I am legitimately worried that the kinds of games I like to play might become obsolete, obscure and ultimately drowned out. Puerile rubbish outsells well-crafted experiences and that sends a strong and worrying message to publishers.
I once wrote that the hardcore/casual divide was a myth, and I still think that is largely true. I think the majority of publishers who throw the term "casual gamer" around like it's some deified and magical demographic that only just appeared and will make all their dreams a reality is a ****ing clutz. I think trying to bottle the magic that Nintendo has is pathetic, and that if EVERYONE tried pandering to what they call the "casual" gamer, nobody would win. In fact, I have a far better dividing line than "hardcore" and "casual" which rings pretty true these days -- good games and **** games.  Right now, **** games are the hotness, and good games just don't sell. Am I wrong in thinking that's just a little messed up?
The majority of people are ****ing stupid and they have no taste. You can't deny it, either, because if that wasn't true, Big Brother wouldn't be on the television and magazines that spread the "juicy gos" about Paris Hilton wouldn't be so God damned popular. As videogames become more mainstream, it will lead to good things. However, it will also increase the watering down and reduction of quality that goes on. It is what happens, and you are right if you despise that.
Basically, it's okay to not be happy with the **** that ends up in the sales charts, and if you're worried about the Wii dominating the Xbox 360 and PS3, that's fine, too, and you have nothing to be ashamed of. Don't listen to the smug morons who say "fnar fnar, you're a hardcore gamer, you're out-of-touch and stupid." You're not stupid for demanding more from your videogames, for being irritated that **** blandness outsells greatness. 
I'm just a bitter old man who hates everyone around him, and God damn it, I'm proud to be.



Then the Comments, oh jesus were gamers always this mean?




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I work at Best Buy.
I work in the games section.
In before “enjoy your retail job”. **** you, I hope you die.
You know how many people buy a Wii, and ask me what games are good, and I tell them the list of six or so, then say, “and the rest of them are terrible”. They look at me like I’m stupid. My store is open about letting us tell customers what we think of media, so I do. I tell them that aside from a few first party nintendo games, and No More Heroes, the Wii has no good games. They look at me like I’m retarded. When I try to show them Geometry wars, or No More Heroes, or Brawl, or Okami, or any game more complicated than Wii Sports, they act like I’m trying to sell a first grader a scientific calculator, like they’re no even interested at all.
I ****ing hate them so bad. The ****ing Wii is a cancer on the game’s industry. **** the Wii. **** it so hard. I regret ever buying that piece of **** junk. ****.
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I have very strong feelings towards the topic of casual games, and you pretty much summed up those feelings in one article. Honestly, I hate what Nintendo is doing with the industry. We’ve always had casual games, but in previous generations they have always been the minority. Now, they are the majority (on the Wii, specifically). For now, I’m “ok” with what Nintendo is doing because they are keeping it concentrated on one system. The day their system’s ****ty games and ****ty gimmicks leak over to the PS360 is the day I’ll begin to show my true feelings.
Nintendo abandoned us (the people who made them what they are today), quite simply, they are sell-outs. They re-cased a Gamecube (shut the **** up Wii fanboys, you know it’s true) in shiny white plastic, added an updated version of the NES zapper with motion sensing, and marketed the hell out of the thing. They go on to make billions of dollars while the mentally retarded gamers (or casual gamers) try to defend their purchase.
The term “causal games” needs to stop being used. It’s simply not a fitting term. They’ve created a new genre. You know, you’ve got your RPG’s, your FPS’s, your Action-Adventure games, and now, your ****ty games. The people who play these ****ty games will now be known as “**** whores”. So, **** you, **** whores.
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I’ll admit, i was first in line to get a Wii. The gamecube had disappointed me but the allure of the waggle won me over. And it was wonderful…for five minutes. I HATE motion controls and these stupid casual games. All the good games on the Wii could be done without the wii remote (sans maybe Okami or boom blox). All the new games are just remakes of other crappy games with motion controls tacked on. It’s disgusting. It’s not just the Wii either. I loved the DS when it first came out as well, but now the same thing is happening with that. Don’t even get me started on the abortion that is New Super Mario Bros. And yes, Phantom Hourglass sucked balls, get over it! Casual gamers need to go away and die, I want my hard games that only *skilled* gamers have a shot at beating. And no more motion controls!




What is wrong with people? Why do they feel so threatened? The man who wants casual games away from PS3 nd 360 is going to be very dissapointed at E3 though. : /



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RE: Destructoid Proves themselves extremely rude, Appar... - Jul.-8th-2008 15:49:06   
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Can you summarize that whole block o' text for me

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RE: Destructoid Proves themselves extremely rude, Appar... - Jul.-8th-2008 15:49:52   
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No its just quotes you have to read them to get the point of my short rant.

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RE: Destructoid Proves themselves extremely rude, Appar... - Jul.-8th-2008 15:51:55   
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Beyond good and evil 2 is coming!!!

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RE: Destructoid Proves themselves extremely rude, Appar... - Jul.-8th-2008 15:52:42   
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Yeah honestly I don't get the hate either.  They are mad at casual games but all games have a bit of casual in them.  MGS4, Bioshock, Crisis Core, Halo 3, etc all have a means for casuals to play it and some casuals do. 

Casual games are not suddenly a problem and they have always been this strong for every generation.  This is nothing new but I think people like to hate a bit to much these days and many long time gamers don't like to be put in the same catagory as a new gamer so naturally casual gamers are now the death of the gaming industry....

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RE: Destructoid Proves themselves extremely rude, Appar... - Jul.-8th-2008 15:52:59   
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Beyond good and evil 2 is coming!!!

: D It made may day a couple weeks ago.

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RE: Destructoid Proves themselves extremely rude, Appar... - Jul.-8th-2008 15:53:00   
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Can you summarize that whole block o' text for me


Summary: The people at Destructoid and the people who comment on their site hate casual games.

This is hardly surprising being as the people who run the site are hardcore enough about games that they chose games journalism as a career path and the people who comment on the site care enough about games to visit gaming specific websites. Of course they're all hostile about casual games. Just like "gangsta" rappers are hostile about Nelly and The Black Eyed Peas.

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RE: Destructoid Proves themselves extremely rude, Appar... - Jul.-8th-2008 15:54:25   
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Can you summarize that whole block o' text for me


Summary: The people at Destructoid and the people who comment on their site hate casual games.

This is hardly surprising being as the people who run the site are hardcore enough about games that they chose games journalism as a career path and the people who comment on the site care enough about games to visit gaming specific websites. Of course they're all hostile about casual games. Just like "gangsta" rappers are hostile about Nelly and The Black Eyed Peas.

explain what makes someone Hardcore. I used to play at Arcades when I was a kid until I had all the high scores but according to todays standards I was a casual gamer. Thats not what people said then.

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RE: Destructoid Proves themselves extremely rude, Appar... - Jul.-8th-2008 15:55:15   
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Well, what he said holds some truth......but he could have at least said it in a nicer way 

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RE: Destructoid Proves themselves extremely rude, Appar... - Jul.-8th-2008 15:56:47   
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Well, what he said holds some truth......but he could have at least said it in a nicer way 

: ( Attitudes like his are the reason people mock gamers. Your opinion saddens me.

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RE: Destructoid Proves themselves extremely rude, Appar... - Jul.-8th-2008 15:57:17   
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Can you summarize that whole block o' text for me


Summary: The people at Destructoid and the people who comment on their site hate casual games.

This is hardly surprising being as the people who run the site are hardcore enough about games that they chose games journalism as a career path and the people who comment on the site care enough about games to visit gaming specific websites. Of course they're all hostile about casual games. Just like "gangsta" rappers are hostile about Nelly and The Black Eyed Peas.

explain what makes someone Hardcore. I used to play at Arcades when I was a kid until I had all the high scores but according to todays standards I was a casual gamer. Thats not what people said then.


Well my original post cited at least two things that I think define hardcore gamers. Shall I go on? I'm not calling anyone out for being a casual gamer and I'm not saying all the hate is justified. I'm just saying it's not really surprising coming from a site like Destructoid and there's no reason to get your panties in a bunch. This is N4G remember. Surely you've seen worse around here.

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RE: Destructoid Proves themselves extremely rude, Appar... - Jul.-8th-2008 15:58:39   
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There are no hardcore players or casual players only gamers.  There are genres as in shooters, rpgs, mini games, health but no there is no such thing as being a hardcore gamer or casual gamer.  They have to many crossing lines.  Hardcore player could be someone who only plays Madden 24/7 and buys the newest one every year but only causals buy and play one game a year.  Hardcore player is someone who can play everyday while casual gamers play Tetris/Packman/ or Solitaire everyday...

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RE: Destructoid Proves themselves extremely rude, Appar... - Jul.-8th-2008 15:59:22   
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Oh yes go on. I'm very intrigued by your pigoen holing of gamers into demographics.

"Don’t even get me started on the abortion that is New Super Mario Bros. And yes, Phantom Hourglass sucked balls, get over it! Casual gamers need to go away and die, I want my hard games that only *skilled* gamers have a shot at beating. And no more motion controls!"

No I haven't heard worse than that here.

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RE: Destructoid Proves themselves extremely rude, Appar... - Jul.-8th-2008 16:00:53   
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polluted note that i don't hate you, I just disagree with your opinions.

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RE: Destructoid Proves themselves extremely rude, Appar... - Jul.-8th-2008 16:02:49   
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Unsurprisingly I share the same sentiments as the author and the comments.

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RE: Destructoid Proves themselves extremely rude, Appar... - Jul.-8th-2008 16:04:17   
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Unsurprisingly I share the same sentiments as the author and the comments.

We shall have to agree to disagree.

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RE: Destructoid Proves themselves extremely rude, Appar... - Jul.-8th-2008 16:06:04   
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Well, what he said holds some truth......but he could have at least said it in a nicer way 

: ( Attitudes like his are the reason people mock gamers. Your opinion saddens me.

So you're telling me, you disagree with everything he said?

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RE: Destructoid Proves themselves extremely rude, Appar... - Jul.-8th-2008 16:06:58   
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Oh yes go on. I'm very intrigued by your pigoen holing of gamers into demographics.

"Don’t even get me started on the abortion that is New Super Mario Bros. And yes, Phantom Hourglass sucked balls, get over it! Casual gamers need to go away and die, I want my hard games that only *skilled* gamers have a shot at beating. And no more motion controls!"

No I haven't heard worse than that here.


So it's not reasonable to assume that someone who writes about video games for a living is at least a little bit "hardcore" about their gaming habits?

You're the one who pidgeon holed yourself as a casual gamer dude, not me.

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RE: Destructoid Proves themselves extremely rude, Appar... - Jul.-8th-2008 16:11:04   
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Well, what he said holds some truth......but he could have at least said it in a nicer way 

: ( Attitudes like his are the reason people mock gamers. Your opinion saddens me.

So you're telling me, you disagree with everything he said?

yes that is correct.

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RE: Destructoid Proves themselves extremely rude, Appar... - Jul.-8th-2008 16:12:03   
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Being an elitist is not the same as hardcore.  Hardcore is only a buzz word with no meaning.

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