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Gaming Journalism this gen is a joke - May-3th-2008 18:06:12   
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Super Mario galaxy, Super Smash Brothers Brawl, Halo 3, and now GTA4 .All of these games had over the top hype, and were incredibly overrated. GTA4 isn't close to the best GTA game, Super Smash Brothers Brawl is basically melee with online, and has a terrible SP (subspace emissary was god awful), and halo 3 wasn't even up to par with likes COD4, or either halo games> So why are these games gettign reviewed so high? Do people remember when gaming sites didn't review a game based on hype? I mean I never saw Starfox Adventure get straight 10's because it was hyped mad, or brute force getting straight 10's because it is the halo killer, or fable getting perfect scores. So why does this suddenly occur now? I mean in the last 3 yeears guess  how many games are rated in top 50 that came out? 20 games. Am I the only one amazed at that?
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RE: Gaming Journalism this gen is a joke - May-3th-2008 18:07:18   
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RE: Gaming Journalism this gen is a joke - May-3th-2008 18:07:50   
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Why do you even bother the reviews?

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RE: Gaming Journalism this gen is a joke - May-3th-2008 18:09:37   
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I don't agree with GTA4. It's easily the best GTA. Heck, GTA: VC and GTA: SA were pretty mediocre games that got superb scores but this one is at least worthy of some hype. But I do agree on Halo 3 and SSBB. Halo 3 was good but not that good. SSBB is indeed the same game and is way overhyped.

As for Mario Galaxy, as much as I think it's over rated, I don't think it's that over-rated. Sure, it's not best game of 2007 but it's definitly one of the best titles of that year. It's superb level design is really good and while it's no BioShock, OB or COD4 in terms of overall quality, it's still darn good.

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RE: Gaming Journalism this gen is a joke - May-3th-2008 18:11:49   
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I agree with GTA4 being the best GTA. It is the best by a long mile, however.

I do agree that games are being overrated too easily now. It'll suck because when a game that truly deserves a 10 comes along, reviewers will probably give it a 9 or 9.5 because they already felt like they handed out enough 10/10's savvy?

I bet MGS4 is a hundred times the games that GTA4 will ever hope to be, and it won't get scores as good. Makes me sad inside. :*(

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RE: Gaming Journalism this gen is a joke - May-3th-2008 18:13:43   
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GTA 4 does not have as good of a story as GTA San Andreas, or Vice City. The gameplay is just adding a new cover system, new graphics, and now online game modes (which actually aren't very good to begin with), and this is the definition of a perfect game. There are tons of glitches pop in problems, control problems, yet those are so minor that they coudl give this game a 10? Also Super Mario galaxy was inferior to one in its franchise (super mario 64) yet, it somehow outscores that game? Stuff like this saddens me.. When some games get hurt by this (uncharted: drake fortune was better than those games but scored significantly less, 2nd best game to bioshock at least for me in 2007).

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RE: Gaming Journalism this gen is a joke - May-3th-2008 18:18:08   
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I think those games deserved those scores.  Call me crazy.  I think they're all perfect at what they do.  Since they're all sequels, they're all really refined.  Have you spent enough time with all those titles to pass that kind of judgement?

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RE: Gaming Journalism this gen is a joke - May-3th-2008 18:20:35   
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I think those games deserved those scores.  Call me crazy.  I think they're all perfect at what they do.  Since they're all sequels, they're all really refined.  Have you spent enough time with all those titles to pass that kind of judgement?
I'm playing gta4 right now, played all of those games, and wouldn't give them higher than a 8.5.  GTA4 is a 9.5 for me though possible a  9. No game is perfect..

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RE: Gaming Journalism this gen is a joke - May-3th-2008 18:23:01   
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GTA 4 does not have as good of a story as GTA San Andreas, or Vice City. The gameplay is just adding a new cover system, new graphics, and now online game modes (which actually aren't very good to begin with), and this is the definition of a perfect game. There are tons of glitches pop in problems, control problems, yet those are so minor that they coudl give this game a 10? Also Super Mario galaxy was inferior to one in its franchise (super mario 64) yet, it somehow outscores that game? Stuff like this saddens me.. When some games get hurt by this (uncharted: drake fortune was better than those games but scored significantly less, 2nd best game to bioshock at least for me in 2007).


I bolded that because it's very subjective. I enjoyed the story of GTA4 much more than I did the other games. This is personal preference. And the Online mode is a blast if you're with people who are good at the game and you know.

The rest, I agree with you. Uncharted was one of the victims of this trend of underrating a good game right after the release of a game that recieved undeserved 10's. I agree with you alot actually because I know it will happen again. Actually, what's dumb as hell is reviews like this and Gta4 and the worst offender: 1UP's Gears of War review, prove that game critique isn't something anyone can take seriously.

Some games get marked off because of certain flaws, then you get that ass Shoe (Who I'm glad got fired, left, whatever) stating: This game has it's flaws, but I'll give it a 10 anyways because it's macho. Reviewing games has to be consistent, and that's what it lacks above all.

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ORIGINAL: Mwaan

I think those games deserved those scores.  Call me crazy.  I think they're all perfect at what they do.  Since they're all sequels, they're all really refined.  Have you spent enough time with all those titles to pass that kind of judgement?


I quoted this because this is the most interesting statement. You would rate a game off the type of experience it gave you. Where do you draw the line between rating game stability, how "fun" it is, personal taste, so on, so on. In my opinion, games are impossible to review with numbers or letter or any scoring system. If I owned a website it would be:

Buy it! Rent it! Pass it!.

hell even better: Buy it if you like shooters, rent it if you like action games, pass it if you don't care about this type of genre. They have to act as a sort of buying guide.

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RE: Gaming Journalism this gen is a joke - May-3th-2008 18:23:09   
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This is upsetting... Nothing has ever gotten that score..

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RE: Gaming Journalism this gen is a joke - May-3th-2008 18:26:12   
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ORIGINAL: ngg12345

This is upsetting... Nothing has ever gotten that score..


Having just finished GTA4, I can honestly say I liked Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy 7 more than it. Do they get 101? :P

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RE: Gaming Journalism this gen is a joke - May-3th-2008 18:27:50   
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Why have a scale that goes up to 10 if you're never going to use it?  Flaws can be overlooked if other aspects of the game are exceptional.

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RE: Gaming Journalism this gen is a joke - May-3th-2008 18:30:25   
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Why have a scale that goes up to 10 if you're never going to use it?  Flaws can be overlooked if other aspects of the game are exceptional.


That doesn't stop them from existing anyways.The review should just point out what's flawed, and what it does exceptionally, not award bonus points for what it does to compensate.

My point is there should be no scale so people can stop looking at a number. The review should be read and the review should inform the reader what the game is notable for, and what exists that detracts from the experience.

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RE: Gaming Journalism this gen is a joke - May-3th-2008 18:36:23   
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I think they should review the game on what's atually there, rather than the type of experience it gave you, you know what I mean?

For instance, COD4 gets 10/10, 9/10 and so on. Now, it's a grea game, but the single-player campaign, while extremely thrilling and captivating, lasts for about 5 hours max. The online, while addictive is, let's face it, the same thing over, and over, and over again.
Now, if I was reviewing COD4, and basing my score solely on my experience, I would give it a 9.

If, on the other hand, I was to write a completely unbiased review, and scored the game solely on what's there, what it does and how well it does it, I would give it an 8.

I know, I didn't explain it well, but I feel that's how al games should be reviewed. About 90% of the games that recieve 10s simply don't deserve them, no matter how muh of a jaded fan you are of that game, or how much your experience affected your outlook on the game.

Basically what I'm saying is, a review score should be based on a continuity, not something that can vary with opinion, or change under the circumstances.

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RE: Gaming Journalism this gen is a joke - May-3th-2008 18:38:30   
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You want to know why gaming journalism has gone down the tubes?

Because materialism is at its highest right now, and nobody cares about just making games anymore...it's all about the money, the press events, the review scores, and popularity.

What's this called?

Becoming corporate.

Game development houses have turned into money and blood-sucking corporations with long hours and harsh deadlines (that almost always get pushed back due to being harsh), and PR spinners, and spokesmen, and secretaries, and sales charts, and profit reports, and merges, and splitting-offs, and layoffs, and WHATEVER.

Gaming has moved from a pastime to a BUSINESS.

Gaming is no longer seen as a hobby or recreation or an object of fun, it's a goddamned BUSINESS now.

There is no more innocence left in the gaming industry.

Everyone is out to get everyone, and it's a damned shame that we can't all just get along and be happy entertaining ourselves with our games.

I wish people would stop making games into a giant pissing contest.

That's all I have to say about that.

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RE: Gaming Journalism this gen is a joke - May-3th-2008 18:40:55   
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You want to know why gaming journalism has gone down the tubes?

Because materialism is at its highest right now, and nobody cares about just making games anymore...it's all about the money, the press events, the review scores, and popularity.

What's this called?

Becoming corporate.

Game development houses have turned into money and blood-sucking corporations with long hours and harsh deadlines (that almost always get pushed back due to being harsh), and PR spinners, and spokesmen, and secretaries, and sales charts, and profit reports, and merges, and splitting-offs, and layoffs, and WHATEVER.

Gaming has moved from a pastime to a BUSINESS.

Gaming is no longer seen as a hobby or recreation or an object of fun, it's a goddamned BUSINESS now.

There is no more innocence left in the gaming industry.

Everyone is out to get everyone, and it's a damned shame that we can't all just get along and be happy entertaining ourselves with our games.

I wish people would stop making games into a giant pissing contest.

That's all I have to say about that.


Then don't play along with them, and be a fanboy. Like you said, corporations don't give a crap about us, they just want our money, so why the hell should we go on an internet forum, and defend them from a bunch of faceless randoms we're never going to meet in person? That's exactly what they want; loyalty to their brand. Do they deserve it? No, no corporation does.

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RE: Gaming Journalism this gen is a joke - May-3th-2008 18:41:43   
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I think they should review the game on what's atually there, rather than the type of experience it gave you, you know what I mean?

For instance, COD4 gets 10/10, 9/10 and so on. Now, it's a grea game, but the single-player campaign, while extremely thrilling and captivating, lasts for about 5 hours max. The online, while addictive is, let's face it, the same thing over, and over, and over again.
Now, if I was reviewing COD4, and basing my score solely on my experience, I would give it a 9.

If, on the other hand, I was to write a completely unbiased review, and scored the game solely on what's there, what it does and how well it does it, I would give it an 8.

I know, I didn't explain it well, but I feel that's how al games should be reviewed. About 90% of the games that recieve 10s simply don't deserve them, no matter how muh of a jaded fan you are of that game, or how much your experience affected your outlook on the game.

Basically what I'm saying is, a review score should be based on a continuity, not something that can vary with opinion, or change under the circumstances.


Unfortunately, LJ, there is no bottom line in regards to how a game can or should be judged.

It's all relative and subjective, and never will we all agree on game review standards.

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RE: Gaming Journalism this gen is a joke - May-3th-2008 18:42:52   
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Unfortunately, LJ, there is no bottom line in regards to how a game can or should be judged.

It's all relative and subjective, and never will we all agree on game review standards.


You're completely correct, but one can dream

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RE: Gaming Journalism this gen is a joke - May-3th-2008 18:47:11   
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ORIGINAL: DrPirate

I bolded that because it's very subjective.



This whole thread is subjective.

It's all down to opinions...most reviews say one thing while ngg disagrees. You can't say someone's opinion is wrong, and judging from the overwhelming praise of GTA IV if anyone's opinions are wrong its ngg12345's.

Reviews don't represent YOUR opinion and how YOU feel about games.

Play it yourself, ask your friends their opinions, or just pass on the game entirely. Reviewers aren't telling you what to buy and what not to buy, they're just giving you one perspective.

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RE: Gaming Journalism this gen is a joke - May-3th-2008 18:49:34   
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yeah maybe some reviewers are too quick to jump to 10s though it is opinionated. I try not look at indivdual scores though i might see why they rated something lower or higher...but more so the average score, not just one or two reviews....though really I dont loose sleep or anything over it lol.

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