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Killzone 2...Lets Disect It - Jun.-4th-2008 23:04:31

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First of all, i would like to state i have a very limited experience with FPS, there are far from my favourite genre so my opinions should be taken as personal opinions. Alright lets get it cracking

According to wikipedia: Prior to release, Killzone had been hailed as a "Halo killer". However, upon release, Killzone received mixed reviews from magazines and websites alike. Reviewers cited many technical problems with Killzone, including inconsistent and sometimes nonexistent AI,[2] occasional bugs resulting in random game crashes, frame-rate issues, numerous distracting graphical glitches,[2] repetition of the same voices,[6] short draw distance, and an awkward control system. Critics also complained about the gameplay, with IGN labeling it "underwhelming and mediocre"[2] and Into Liquid Sky stating that it "needs more refinement".[9] In light of these problems, reviewers such as GameSpy commented that Killzone was not the "Halo killer" that it had been previously hyped as before its release.[10][7] On the positive side, Killzone was admired for its sound effects, its soundtrack, and its presentation of a gritty war zone [2]; it was also credited for its unique hard sci-fi art design.[10]

So far, KZ1 has an average rating of 70% on metacritic which isn't great but in no way represents the crappiest shooter of all time like KZ1 is so often referred to.

Other short falls not mentioned would include a super crappy animations and extremely linear gameplay.

Based on the gameplay videos, the graphics of the game look amazing. No other console shooter comes close bla bla bla. But why are people so quick to shoot down the games graphics as just being eye candy for a crappy game. FPS have always been conisdered as a visual showcase for a systems graphical capabilities so why not Killzone 2.

Guerilla worked really hard to get the game to look as close to the fake trailer as possible and they did a prett good job. Instead of pats on the backs and congratulations instead they get yea it looks nice but its still just average. The animation in this one is excellent, so are the graphics and i am going to believe the bugs and stuff will be fixed up. The A.I. is still being worked on as the game is still far from release so i am fairly confident the A.I. will be great. The gameplay still looks linear as is always the case with most cinematic games but why is everyone so quick to point fingers at KZ2 for linearity and not games like COD4.

From what i can tell from the gameplay, you point you shoot people die convincingly so what else is left. What does a shooter like COD4 have that KZ2 just doesn't have? What was it that was so spectacular about call of duty 4 that got everyone excited in the first place...wasnt it the graphics?

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RE: Killzone 2...Lets Disect It - Jun.-4th-2008 23:10:55

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What was it that was so spectacular about call of duty 4 that got everyone excited in the first place...wasnt it the graphics?

First ill say, lol.

Second, Gameplay is what counts.

Why do you play Warhawk? Why do i play Halo? Why do people play Cod4?

Gameplay.

Gameplay is what makes a game great. Its what makes you play the game over and over again. You wont be playing Perfect Dark for the xbox right now, even if it had the best graphics ever.

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RE: Killzone 2...Lets Disect It - Jun.-4th-2008 23:11:54

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I can't disect a game I haven't played.

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RE: Killzone 2...Lets Disect It - Jun.-4th-2008 23:12:25

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What was it that was so spectacular about call of duty 4 that got everyone excited in the first place...wasnt it the graphics?

First ill say, lol.

Second, Gameplay is what counts.

Why do you play Warhawk? Why do i play Halo? Why do people play Cod4?

Gameplay.

Gameplay is what makes a game great. Its what makes you play the game over and over again. You wont be playing Perfect Dark for the xbox right now, even if it had the best graphics ever.

Yes but until you actually PLAY the game all you can count on is the graphics.

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RE: Killzone 2...Lets Disect It - Jun.-4th-2008 23:22:20

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What was it that was so spectacular about call of duty 4 that got everyone excited in the first place...wasnt it the graphics?

First ill say, lol.

Second, Gameplay is what counts.

Why do you play Warhawk? Why do i play Halo? Why do people play Cod4?

Gameplay.

Gameplay is what makes a game great. Its what makes you play the game over and over again. You wont be playing Perfect Dark for the xbox right now, even if it had the best graphics ever.

Yes but until you actually PLAY the game all you can count on is the graphics.

Have you seen the video...lol?

Watch the one thats on the main page...

http://www.n4g.com/ps3/NewsCom-153601.aspx?CT=1

That looks good to you (gameplay)...i espicially love the part when they come from the roof, and jump to the floor, and stand still, and take cover behind nothing. It didnt seem exciting or anything. Watch the near end of the video...the ai is retarted.

But, if you wanna go based on graphics, ill give you that. Graphics and animations are nutty.

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RE: Killzone 2...Lets Disect It - Jun.-4th-2008 23:27:59

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A.I. is weak that is a stated fact, no one will argue with you there, too many exploding barrels poor level design, no one will argue with you there but the game is still about a yr away, these thing as subject to change. So far A.I. is the only fault i have found, everything else seems ok.

To be honest, i am not that impressed by the visuals anyway. Graphics don't mean everything and gameplay is always better than graphics. What has impressed me the most have been the blood effects (which seem to have been toned down) and the animation. The way enemies still bleed after they are downed and the blood gets darker after a while...sick.

As far as i can tell, fix the A.I. and they are good to go. Since the game is looking linear i hope it is driven by an excellent story. I like variability in my games and KZ2 doesn't look to have much of that. Looks about on par with COD4 in that regard (didn't really like COD4 by the way).I doubt it will have a good story because the voice acting so far is a little...HAZEY

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RE: Killzone 2...Lets Disect It - Jun.-4th-2008 23:31:18

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A.I. is weak that is a stated fact, no one will argue with you there, too many exploding barrels poor level design, no one will argue with you there but the game is still about a yr away, these thing as subject to change.

Then why "disect" it now?

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RE: Killzone 2...Lets Disect It - Jun.-4th-2008 23:35:26

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Because we can

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But seriously, i am seriously trying to understand what makes a great FPS. I enjoyed Resistance but not COD4. KZ2 is looking like COD4 so i can't really say i like what i am seeing but COD4 fans don't seem to be liking what they are seeing either?

Maybe i just don't like ultra realistic shooters

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RE: Killzone 2...Lets Disect It - Jun.-4th-2008 23:37:27

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Because we can.

But seriously, i am seriously trying to understand what makes a great FPS. I enjoyed Resistance but not COD4. KZ2 is looking like COD4 so i can't really say i like what i am seeing but COD4 fans don't seem to be liking what they are seeing either?

Killzone (from the video shown) looks slow.

And that what we are dissecting. The info that we know as of right now.

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RE: Killzone 2...Lets Disect It - Jun.-4th-2008 23:43:52

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Good point it does look slow. I hope there will be enough play testing to bring the game to the attention of the devs. Overall, the game looks good excellent animation but enemies seem to easy to pick off. To be fair that is the opening level so it is supposed to be easy. I want the game to be good because it looks good and has some nice animation so i hope they fix it

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RE: Killzone 2...Lets Disect It - Jun.-4th-2008 23:47:57

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Sonarus IMO COD4 was awesome because it maintained the core of FPS's, but with vastly improved visuals. The gameplay IMO was the same as old COD's the only difference was that it wasn't in the WW2.

I enjoyed COD4 more because of visuals (Like I stated before, I'm a graphic whore), but I can understand why you like Resistance more. I think it was the creativity, the diversity of weapons, the A.I. and the level variety and designs. Oh I also enjoyed COD4 more because it was actually the first FPS I played online in a console. I've never played Resistance online.

Oh and what's up with this whinners??? Let Sonarus Disect the damn game if he wants. Why is everybody crying about it??? The game can be disected so far with what we've seen... Just disect only what we've seen and we can talk about what can be improved or what could be changed etc.

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RE: Killzone 2...Lets Disect It - Jun.-5th-2008 0:05:22

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some items need to be qualified. let's start with halo killer. that never came from the dev team or sony and instead was a gift from the valuable world of game journalists.

placeholder ai code has been in every demo so far. the dev team have discussed this already so i wouldn't have an issue with that matter.

no one here should downplay the graphics because you just don't realize how good they are from videos. i was at the kiosk and was floored by what you see that videos do not accurately represent.

enemies seem easy to pick off because

1 - placeholder ai code
2 - level of difficulty in vids is set low - that word from reps at kiosk
3 - god mode engaged for demos

remember an amazing thing is occurring in this game and it is a testament to the ps3's ability to conduct intricate calculations - every single bullet impact is measured and a physics reaction calculated. no more "did i even hit that guy?"

you will do better not comparing k2 to a game that is actually full of relatively brain dead ai and is one of the most tightly scripted games ever - cod4. there is a reason sp play times in that game are almost the same for everyone - you have to do what the devs want exactly when they want. there is linearity and then there is cod4.

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RE: Killzone 2...Lets Disect It - Jun.-5th-2008 0:07:28

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Oh and what's up with this whinners??? Let Sonarus Disect the damn game if he wants. Why is everybody crying about it??? The game can be disected so far with what we've seen... Just disect only what we've seen and we can talk about what can be improved or what could be changed etc.

Can you point out the "whinners" and those "crying"? Because I dont see any whining or crying.

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RE: Killzone 2...Lets Disect It - Jun.-5th-2008 0:16:24

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Oh and what's up with this whinners??? Let Sonarus Disect the damn game if he wants. Why is everybody crying about it??? The game can be disected so far with what we've seen... Just disect only what we've seen and we can talk about what can be improved or what could be changed etc.

Can you point out the "whinners" and those "crying"? Because I dont see any whining or crying.

ummmm well you and Bloodmask can be considered... Just a thought.

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RE: Killzone 2...Lets Disect It - Jun.-5th-2008 0:21:09

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Sonarus IMO COD4 was awesome because it maintained the core of FPS's, but with vastly improved visuals. The gameplay IMO was the same as old COD's the only difference was that it wasn't in the WW2.

I enjoyed COD4 more because of visuals (Like I stated before, I'm a graphic whore), but I can understand why you like Resistance more. I think it was the creativity, the diversity of weapons, the A.I. and the level variety and designs. Oh I also enjoyed COD4 more because it was actually the first FPS I played online in a console. I've never played Resistance online.

Oh and what's up with this whinners??? Let Sonarus Disect the damn game if he wants. Why is everybody crying about it??? The game can be disected so far with what we've seen... Just disect only what we've seen and we can talk about what can be improved or what could be changed etc.

I always play singleplayer before multiplayer. I played COD4 online and Resistance online very little...5 times tops. Both have their strengths and weaknesses. I played COD4 online very late so i didn't really understand what was going on and why my gun was only shooting 3 bullets at once while others were spreaying me down. I played the beta a bit but didn't really get into it because i was playing some other game at the time. COD4 was alright but i never really felt any draw to it...it was just spawn shoot till you die and repeat. I don't see why the point ranking up excites everyone...they are just points.

Resistance online was ok...i like the weapons that is pretty much all i can say about resistance online. I remember i played a 40player deathmatch (first time playing shooter online) i thought it was great...i died a bunch of times but so did everyone else

Overall, i found both online modes to be average. Favourite online game so far is warhawk and most of the credit goes to the vehicles. I think resistance would be a better game with vehicles

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RE: Killzone 2...Lets Disect It - Jun.-5th-2008 0:24:02

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ummmm well you and Bloodmask can be considered... Just a thought.

Interesting. Sonarus saying that there is still a year before it is released (therefore a lot more can be done), and then me asking why disect it now (and why not wait until later on) is crying? I asked a perfectly reasonable question.

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RE: Killzone 2...Lets Disect It - Jun.-5th-2008 1:50:50

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Why must everyone come up with the same old tired arguements?

Its already been established that in tech demos such as the one we've seen for this game the AI is set to easy. You wanna see the AI set to hard go check out the IGN footage.

If you're going to compare this to COD4 because you view the scope of your gun when aiming then you are saying Frontlines, MGS4, Battlefield, and MOH are all COD clones as well. The destruction in this game is much more impressive, and the cover system is more innovative, you can revive your comrades, and the weather plays a factor in the game as well(the helghast can control the weather to their advantage). There are plenty of things that set this game apart from COD.

People also like to cry about how the original Killzone was no good. Well geuss what, alot of people actually liked it. Not to mention, this is a drastically different looking game on much improved hardware. I doubt that Killzone 2 will have much in common w/ Killzone 1. KZ1 came out in '04, this one's coming out in '09. This isn't Halo. The devs are free to innovate w/o fear of pissing off their fanbase like Bungie was. That's why Halo never truly innovated itself.

Honestly, I think that peoples skeptisism from this game comes from the fact that they are afraid. They are afraid that this is going to be a killer app and its not multi-platform, its not PC, Its not on 360, its only on PS3. Killzone2 has only managed to exceed peoples expectations by living up to the initial trailer - few games actually accomplish that. The fact that it did was a slap to the face of all the naysayers, now they have to find anything they can to pick it apart.

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RE: Killzone 2...Lets Disect It - Jun.-5th-2008 2:11:51

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ORIGINAL: sonarus

What was it that was so spectacular about call of duty 4 that got everyone excited in the first place...wasnt it the graphics?

First ill say, lol.

Second, Gameplay is what counts.

Why do you play Warhawk? Why do i play Halo? Why do people play Cod4?

Gameplay.

Gameplay is what makes a game great. Its what makes you play the game over and over again. You wont be playing Perfect Dark for the xbox right now, even if it had the best graphics ever.