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RE: Diablo III is the RPG King. - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 3:43 PM
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/la sigh.. i luv internet assumptions.

No I'v Played it. I do understand it. You seem to not understand that If Blizzard wants to they will port it.

PC games = meh so Not a hard thing to change. 

toodles~  I'll leave you with that.


 No, you've never played it. And you have a poor understanding of many things. This is not what I can assume but what I can assess from your completely idiotic comments. And there goes the curtain my friends. Continue hoping for a lost cause. (You don't seem to understand Blizzard either -- LOL)

Pain, refer to the post below me. He's being much nicer to you than I am. 
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RE: Diablo III is the RPG King. - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 3:53 PM
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/la sigh.. i luv internet assumptions.

No I'v Played it. I do understand it. You seem to not understand that If Blizzard wants to they will port it.

PC games = meh so Not a hard thing to change. 

toodles~  I'll leave you with that.


I agree with Satanas.

The potions system has been changed, so that may or may not be an issue.

And you're right - it wouldn't be hard to change the controls. And if Blizzard wants to, they will port the game.

That doesn't stop the fact that it would suck on consoles. You click on the enemies you want to attack, you click on the place you want to move, you click on all the options OR you use the hotkeys - need I remind you that a controller doesn't have enough buttons?

The way I envision it working is:
Left analogue to move.
X/A to attack in the direction you hold down the stick.
O/B to use secondary attack.
Shoulder button to pick up items - you press it and then select the items by scrolling through them with analogue/d-pad.
Select to open inventory - navigate with analogue/d-pad
Potions/hotkeys custom-mapped to d-pad

But then, all the other options would have to be accessed via a pause menu. There are quite a few, at least in Diablo 2. Skill trees, hireling equipment, stats etc.

Then you have the crucial issue - what about area effect spells, or teleport, or whirlwind, or any skill you cast in a different place to where you are? On PC, you can just right-click where you want to cast. On a console, you would NEED the right analogue stick to act as a cursor, which you point at enemies and press circle.

Personally, I don't think the core hack 'n' slash gameplay would be as satisfying, but that's personal preference.
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RE: Diablo III is the RPG King. - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 3:56 PM
 It would be a clumsy interface. This is something that is utterly unavoidable. They could make it 'work' on consoles, if by 'work' you mean the game can be played. But it would suck, plain and simple. It's why Diablo 1 on PS1 had horrible controls, because it was impossible to make them good.

Imagine playing a Fighter on PC with only the keyboard. It would suck. Thankfully, PC games designed for gamepads generally turn out fine. Whereas on console, they must adapt the game to the controller and then allow keyboard support alternatively (meaning the actual layout of the game will be designed for less buttons, and analog movement), and therefore mouse support would be futile since the gameplay would be designed around analog (highly unintuitive for a Diablo game).


Diablo's "hack n slash" gameplay is not Ninja Gaiden or DMC. It requires a mouse and keyboard. Like thor said, the only thing that would work out is the health drops rather than potions, and that's only one small thing.
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RE: Diablo III is the RPG King. - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:10 PM
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Pain


/la sigh.. i luv internet assumptions.

No I'v Played it. I do understand it. You seem to not understand that If Blizzard wants to they will port it.

PC games = meh so Not a hard thing to change. 

toodles~  I'll leave you with that.


 No, you've never played it. And you have a poor understanding of many things. This is not what I can assume but what I can assess from your completely idiotic comments. And there goes the curtain my friends. Continue hoping for a lost cause. (You don't seem to understand Blizzard either -- LOL)

Pain, refer to the post below me. He's being much nicer to you than I am. 




/la~sigh @ above  PC Elitism at it best... 


http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2332390,00.asp



I belive its you that dosent understand Blizzard well enough....


Diablo's UI (User Interface)  is nothing special... please under stand that... 

And since PS3 can and dose Support keyboard and Mouse
 how would the Stop it from bieng ported????

and As i quoted by Meeb befor when he said ..

meepmoopmeep

I'll get this on my Mac 
i remember playing D2 long ago
never finished it though


Mac user since 2003 and oh what do you know Diablo 2 is on Macintosh......


Say it with me kids...

FAIL


please dont assume.

Now can you talk about the game insted of Console hate?...... since thats what im posting for...

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RE: Diablo III is the RPG King. - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:14 PM
Pain


/la~sigh @ above  PC Elitism at it best... 


http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2332390,00.asp



I belive its you that dosent understand Blizzard well enough....


Diablo's UI (User Interface)  is nothing special... please under stand that... 

And since PS3 can and dose Support keyboard and Mouse
 how would the Stop it from bieng ported????

and As i quoted by Meeb befor when he said ..


 You don't understand Blizzard at all. If this goes to console, it will be because of the A-word. Activision.

And I'm guessing you didn't read any of the above post, because it totally destroyed your 'points' (thor's). The game is definitely doable on console, but it will NOT play well and you are a complete idiot for ignoring that.

Go back to your PS3, and get out of this thread. We already addressed the issue of KB+M on PS3 and you ignored that too. Stop being so infantile. Get a PC or GTFO.
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Re:Official Diablo 3 discussion Thread - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:29 PM
Meh... I'd see Diablo 3 working as well on the PS3 as FFXI works on the 360. The control system CAN work, but it's never as good as a simply keyboard/mouse set-up and it's always clumsy. That's not to say I wouldn't like to see the game appear on the PS3, 'cause such a thing would be cool, but it would never be as good as playing the PC or Mac versions (which are identical, I should add) because they're natively KB/M.

While, yeah, you could say that Diablo 3's interface is nothing special, it is awfully intensive on the buttons... There are 104 keys on a keyboard, and 16 buttons and two analogue sticks on a PS3 controller. Just look at this - how could all of those keyboard shortcuts, all 43 of them, be mapped to the PS3 pad without resulting in a finicky control set-up?
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Re:Official Diablo 3 discussion Thread - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:33 PM
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Meh... I'd see Diablo 3 working as well on the PS3 as FFXI works on the 360. The control system CAN work, but it's never as good as a simply keyboard/mouse set-up and it's always clumsy. That's not to say I wouldn't like to see the game appear on the PS3, 'cause such a thing would be cool, but it would never be as good as playing the PC or Mac versions (which are identical, I should add) because they're natively KB/M.

While, yeah, you could say that Diablo 3's interface is nothing special, it is awfully intensive on the buttons... There are 104 keys on a keyboard, and 16 buttons and two analogue sticks on a PS3 controller. Just look at this - how could all of those keyboard shortcuts, all 43 of them, be mapped to the PS3 pad without resulting in a finicky control set-up?


Exactly. Just like Diablo 1 on PSone no one said that you can't make the game on PS3, but that this will be a big issue. Pain is being childish for acting like that's not an issue. KB+M support, yeah, and what about the 95% of PS3 users that'll be using the Sixaxis? UT3 had KB+M support, I used it, and the control scheme was just a port of the console controls (mouse wasn't as responsive as it would be on PC). With D3, which is more keyboard+mouse intensive, this transition would be even worse.  
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Re:Official Diablo 3 discussion Thread - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:39 PM
I'm growing weary of the "Diablo 3 or Warcraft/Starcraft coming to console" sh*t. IT'S NOT HAPPENING! Blizzard's install base is on PC, their master craft is PC developing. It would be nice to see it, but like I said NOT FREAKING HAPPENING!

RTS + Mouse/Keyboard = awesome
RTS + Gamepad = Alright - crap
Macro Spell usage + Mouse/Keyboard = awesome
Macro Spell usage + Gamepad = WTF?!
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Re:Official Diablo 3 discussion Thread - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:45 PM
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I'm growing weary of the "Diablo 3 or Warcraft/Starcraft coming to console" sh*t. IT'S NOT HAPPENING! Blizzard's install base is on PC, their master craft is PC developing. It would be nice to see it, but like I said NOT FREAKING HAPPENING!

RTS + Mouse/Keyboard = awesome
RTS + Gamepad = Alright - crap
Macro Spell usage + Mouse/Keyboard = awesome
Macro Spell usage + Gamepad = WTF?!


Thank you for being sensical. While I agree that a console version is not likely, I can see it happening due to Activision. But yeah, regardless, the controls will always be sub-par. It's not possible to go from so many keys to a controller without major hampering. 
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RE: Diablo III is the RPG King. - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:50 PM
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Pain


/la~sigh @ above  PC Elitism at it best... 


http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2332390,00.asp



I belive its you that dosent understand Blizzard well enough....


Diablo's UI (User Interface)  is nothing special... please under stand that... 

And since PS3 can and dose Support keyboard and Mouse
 how would the Stop it from bieng ported????

and As i quoted by Meeb befor when he said ..


 You don't understand Blizzard at all. If this goes to console, it will be because of the A-word. Activision.

And I'm guessing you didn't read any of the above post, because it totally destroyed your 'points' (thor's). The game is definitely doable on console, but it will NOT play well and you are a complete idiot for ignoring that.

Go back to your PS3, and get out of this thread. We already addressed the issue of KB+M on PS3 and you ignored that too. Stop being so infantile. Get a PC or GTFO.


Once again PC Elitism at its best...   No for the last bloody time No PC thank you... I'll get it for MAC.....
If i have too God cant you read...
And NO I dont care what you discussed... No i didn't read it because 'You' dont get that Fact that it Can play Great on a Console....Even if the UI is Dumbed Down for Controller's... 


Just Cuz you want to believe a meager Hack n slash for PC cant be on today's Consoles and would play like crap.. show's you have no clue what Dev's can do when they want to port a game... like i said PC Elitist.


Satanas


Go back to your PS3, and get out of this thread.  





Lmao  !!  sure go nuts kid, it's all yours.



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RE: Diablo III is the RPG King. - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:54 PM
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 I'll get it for MAC.....


Good, but you're still a huge imbecile for thinking what you do about the Diablo UI. Now GTFO. 
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RE: Diablo III is the RPG King. - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:57 PM
 You really have to be blind to not see the control limitations of a console compared to a PC.  I don't do PC gaming, I can't afford a rig and I prefer a controller, but certain games are meant for PC.  Diablo has a complex control scheme that would not work well on a PS3.  I'm not saying it wouldn't work, its just that it would not work nearly as well as it would on the PC.  It would have clunky, complex menue systems that you would have to use often, which would suck.

That being said, if the game does come to consoles (which I DON'T think it will) then I will most likely buy it.



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RE: Diablo III is the RPG King. - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:02 PM
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You really have to be blind to not see the control limitations of a console compared to a PC.  I don't do PC gaming, I can't afford a rig and I prefer a controller, but certain games are meant for PC.  Diablo has a complex control scheme that would not work well on a PS3.  I'm not saying it wouldn't work, its just that it would not work nearly as well as it would on the PC.  It would have clunky, complex menue systems that you would have to use often, which would suck.

That being said, if the game does come to consoles (which I DON'T think it will) then I will most likely buy it.


Pain is the only one who chooses not to accept the obviousness of the truth.

His Mac comments are equally stupid, seeing as the PC controls are the same on Mac. I never said the game can't be done on Mac either...I thought it would be obvious that the controls are a moot point there, LOL
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RE: Diablo III is the RPG King. - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:08 PM
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Pain

 I'll get it for MAC.....


Good, but you're still a huge imbecile for thinking what you do about the Diablo UI. Now GTFO.



 


If Insulting others makes you feel like a Big man.. by all mean's think what you want.

But When Blizzard port's to consoles namley Xbox 360 after that huge paycheck and the game play's with a Controller your going to look stupid.

Point guy forward press X. 
Kill mob 
Use stick move Forward get gold.
Click macro with D-pad

OMG so Bad!!!...

Phantasy Star Universe say's hello. Now please Stfu with the GTFO ....and have a Nice Day ...tomorrow.

and my lame Mac comments have to do with your lame assumptions that i never played the game..

 I played on Mac.. not PC...




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RE: Diablo III is the RPG King. - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:14 PM
My god, your stupidity transcends reason.

I don't care if you have a Mac, it plays the same.

And ffs, stop being so BLATANTLY stupid. We all said it can work on console, but it will NOT control well.

Go play Diablo 1 on PSone.


You know nothing about this, clearly.
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RE: Diablo III is the RPG King. - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:16 PM
 Pain, I'm sorry bot he is correct.  None of us are saying that it can't run on consoles.  We are just saying that if it does, it will not control as well as the PC version.  



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RE: Diablo III is the RPG King. - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:19 PM
Pain


If Insulting others makes you feel like a Big man.. by all mean's think what you want.

But When Blizzard port's to consoles namley Xbox 360 after that huge paycheck and the game play's with a Controller your going to look stupid.

Point guy forward press X. 
Kill mob 
Use stick move Forward get gold.
Click macro with D-pad

OMG so Bad!!!...

Phantasy Star Universe say's hello. Now please Stfu with the GTFO ....and have a Nice Day ...tomorrow.

and my lame Mac comments have to do with your lame assumptions that i never played the game..

 I played on Mac.. not PC...


You are forgetting chain spelling, I can't speak for Diablo but can you image the amount of menus you will need for a console Warcraft 4? or even Starcraft? I've played Warcraft 3 for a long time and just limiting all the options on 14 buttons on the Dual Shock or the 360 Controller would be horrendous. How are you going to micromanage spells? How are you going to manage resources and most importantly HOW THE HELL ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO HOTKEY?! Hokeying is essential for majority if not all Blizzard games is it not?

Do not get me wrong though, I would LIKE for a console Blizzard game, but it's not happening and by some act of God it does happen it will be horrible.
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RE: Diablo III is the RPG King. - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:22 PM
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by some act of God it does happen it will be horrible.


 Exactly. This is what we're saying.

I mean, the DualShock 1 and DualShock 3 are virtually the same controller. They couldn't do Diablo 1 properly on console for a reason.

I mean, to put it in terms console-laymen can understand, imagine playing Killzone 2 with a NES controller.
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RE: Diablo III is the RPG King. - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 11:23 PM
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My god, your stupidity transcends reason.

"I don't care if you have a Mac, it plays the same. "

And ffs, stop being so BLATANTLY stupid. We all said it can work on console, but it will NOT control well.

Go play Diablo 1 on PSone.


You know nothing about this, clearly.


 
Mac part i apologize for, ment to take that back ..yea u clearly new.

And I Still dont care what any of you say it will play Good if they do it right So Bugger off and get it threw yur skullz.

PS1 D1 My Back A## what did they expect from the Playstation 1?.......


Go Play Champions of Norrath on PS2   Played good for a  crappy clone..way Better the D1
Phantasy Star Universes  on PS2 .. Plays Great.  Better on PC Thats for Sure. same Game plane just differnt View


And Guess what same can happin for Diablo 3.. Why is that so hard to beleve.. Controllers do and make great Impute devices No mater what the game is just needs to be done right.. 

Damn last time i post on a PC game thread...Talk about D!cks..

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RE: Diablo III is the RPG King. - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 11:25 PM
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Mac part i apologize for, ment to take that back ..yea u clearly new.

And I Still dont care what any of you say it will play Good if they do it right So Bugger off and get it threw yur skullz.

PS1 D1 My Back A## what did they expect from the Playstation 1?.......


Go Play Champions of Norrath on PS2   Played good for a  crappy clone..way Better the D1
Phantasy Star Universes  on PS2 .. Plays Great.  Better on PC Thats for Sure. same Game plane just differnt View


And Guess what same can happin for Diablo 3.. Why is that so hard to beleve.. Controllers do and make great Impute devices No mater what the game is just needs to be done right.. 

Damn last time i post on a PC game thread...Talk about D!cks..


 What did they expect from the PS1? ****, go away already.

You are a PS3 bat-pesk. I'm glad I lack the horrible blindness that you have. Please buy Diablo 3 on your Mac and quit pestering for a console version.
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