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Re:Official Gun Discussion Thread - Monday, December 17, 2012 2:23 PM ( #41 )
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http://news.sky.com/story/1026461/us-school-shooting-sparks-rise-in-gun-sales

Parents of children at the Sandy Hook school have visited a gun store asking to buy weapons for protection in the wake of the shooting.

. . .  Sales of weapons have soared in the wake of Friday's shooting, according to anecdotal evidence from stores.  The same happened in July after the Colorado movie theatre massacre: the number of people getting approval to buy a guns increased by 43% in a week.

Guns lead to problems, people use guns as a solution to the problems . . .



Gun sales always go up when something like this happens. Some people are buying up guns for protection, some are buying them in fear of a gun ban. Ammo shortages are also an issue. On the firearm forum I frequent many people are claiming that ammo is scarce where they buy it. I have my stockpile of ammo and haven't bought any in a while so I can't say for sure.
 

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Re:Official Gun Discussion Thread - Monday, December 17, 2012 2:33 PM ( #42 )
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Why not just make Kevlar vests legal and accessible? Vests don't hurt anyone and they can protect.

Problem solved.



Yeah, but people may lose the fear of being killed, or killing someone if they think everyone is wearing vest




Good points, the most notable being the example about police using armor piercing rounds, butat least the police will have the upper hand when confronting peeps if they're the only ones using heavy caliber rounds.


Obviously I'm entertaining an impossible idea but whatever it's a forum.


The solution is to that there is no solution and Anerica (the us) is fundamentally flawed. Just look at Canada . There's no comparison, Canada is who America pretends it is
People might be more brazen when brandishing their weapon at someone because the potential consequence of aiming a gun at someone will be lowered, they may feel they victim is "protected enough" so aiming a gun at someone isn't as bad as it once was. Other people may be less hesitant about getting in a shoot out, imagine gangbangers all having access to kevlar vests. Police will have to start using armour piercing rounds on patrols, those shouldn't be needed to patrol the streets. It's like the end of Batman Begins when Gordan talks about "escalation".



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Re:Official Gun Discussion Thread - Monday, December 17, 2012 2:47 PM ( #43 )
I have a question, Fort Hood Shooting, the soldiers lined up were not allowed to carry loaded weapons. Fort Hood was protected by armed guards. Do you want to take guns off of Army bases too?

How about banning gun free zones? Is it not the six adults job to protect children? Is it not a dereliction of your job and being a grown adult if you allow this to go down?

No, keep on whining about guns, sheepole. You be the first to be made a lamp out of, die on a plantation, pay the Jizya, or starve in the future death match, children sold, wife rapped till you can no longer touch her, all so you can impress each other with your effeminate limp hands. If you all had one strip of dignity, Justice, love of freedom, of life, or even sympathy for the weak you would not dare call for the removing of guns.

You do not even of the intellectual courage to answer my questions. I have more respect for Islamic terrorist then I have for you.
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Re:Official Gun Discussion Thread - Monday, December 17, 2012 3:13 PM ( #44 )
Huh. I actually agree with Eiffel. Having a handgun for self-defense is one thing, but what the hell do you need an automatic for? Deer hunting? As for ZombieNinjaPanda, I think the knife argument makes sense. How many people do you know have robbed a bank with a knife? How many accidentally killed with a knife? What about a mass stabbing? The only people objecting to this are gun-toting "mericans."
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Re:Official Gun Discussion Thread - Monday, December 17, 2012 3:23 PM ( #45 )
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Huh. I actually agree with Eiffel. Having a handgun for self-defense is one thing, but what the hell do you need an automatic for? 



For fun? I only own handguns but that is because my wife won't let me have rifles until we get a large gun safe. Also civilians don't have as much access to Automatic weapons as you think. They are legal in very few states and in those you have to have a special Class III license to own one. A Class III license can be very expensive to get. 


Semi-Automatic weapons are the norm for civilians, not fully automatic ones.
 

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Re:Official Gun Discussion Thread - Monday, December 17, 2012 6:01 PM ( #46 )
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Huh. I actually agree with Eiffel. Having a handgun for self-defense is one thing, but what the hell do you need an automatic for? Deer hunting? As for ZombieNinjaPanda, I think the knife argument makes sense. How many people do you know have robbed a bank with a knife? How many accidentally killed with a knife? What about a mass stabbing? The only people objecting to this are gun-toting "mericans."


It's actually illegal to own fully automatic guns of any kind.
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Re:Official Gun Discussion Thread - Monday, December 17, 2012 6:39 PM ( #47 )
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MidnytRain


Huh. I actually agree with Eiffel. Having a handgun for self-defense is one thing, but what the hell do you need an automatic for? Deer hunting? As for ZombieNinjaPanda, I think the knife argument makes sense. How many people do you know have robbed a bank with a knife? How many accidentally killed with a knife? What about a mass stabbing? The only people objecting to this are gun-toting "mericans."


It's actually illegal to own fully automatic guns of any kind.



Um, no it is not. Did you not read the post above yours?
 

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Re:Official Gun Discussion Thread - Monday, December 17, 2012 6:42 PM ( #48 )
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MidnytRain


Huh. I actually agree with Eiffel. Having a handgun for self-defense is one thing, but what the hell do you need an automatic for? Deer hunting? As for ZombieNinjaPanda, I think the knife argument makes sense. How many people do you know have robbed a bank with a knife? How many accidentally killed with a knife? What about a mass stabbing? The only people objecting to this are gun-toting "mericans."


It's actually illegal to own fully automatic guns of any kind.



Um, no it is not. Did you not read the post above yours?



I did not, and now I know.
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Re:Official Gun Discussion Thread - Monday, December 17, 2012 6:44 PM ( #49 )
Guns don't kill people people with guns kill people
sometimes swords
knives too
and fist
stairs was a big thing too

I say we ban people


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Re:Official Gun Discussion Thread - Monday, December 17, 2012 7:24 PM ( #50 )
As much as the NRA and gun nuts like to be afraid over the idea of the big old meanie government rounding up all your guns, they will never, and should never, be banned in America. However, that doesn't mean there shouldn't be restrictions. Civilians don't need military hardware like assault rifles. It's gluttonous, and the deaths attributed to them over and over again in this country through massacres should outweigh the fun you have rattling off a few dozen clips with your friends. A handgun or two is all you need to protect your family, and you certainly don't need an AR-15 to go hunting for deer.

I also get really tired of hearing that if everyone was armed and dangerous, there would be little/no crime. As Eiffel said on the first page, that environment would simply create situations where petty arguments escalate to murder on a constant basis. Imagine the slaughter you'd see on Black Friday as the armed and bloated masses get heated over their favorite piece of Chinese metal and plastic being sold out at Walmart. The "holiday" would take on a whole new meaning in no time.
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Re:Official Gun Discussion Thread - Monday, December 17, 2012 9:36 PM ( #51 )
 A couple interesting statements, then I will go into what I think is going on. Number one, from one of my students: "When muslims shoot a bunch of people, they are terrorists, when blacks do it, it is gang warfare, when a white person does it, it's mental illness." Meaning: It is all mental illness. Tracy Morgan said, "The best thing you can do right now, is turn off your TV." Is it entertainment media? No, I don't think so. I have studied this extensively at Syracuse University and hold a Master's in Cultural Foundations of Education: Popular Culture. Canadians, the Swiss, and the Finns all have similar gun ownership rates. (BTW guns per capita is completely misleading as people using it assume that 1 gun per owner.) Gun ownership rates in the US is less than 40%. However, there is something to be said about our society and how that society is manipulated through the use of "news" media. Americans are constantly bombarded with things that are designed to make us afraid. Currently it is the "fiscal cliff." Soon, it will be something new. If it isn't terrorists, blacks, communists, killer bees, SARS, then it is something else. Couple this with a federal government that believes that when it is "wronged," justice must be done...but not just any justice, an absurdly violent justice. Like Iraq. We killed more Iraqis than Saddam Hussein ever dreamed of killing. This is America, we don't negotiate with 'Terrorists'. Even though Al Qaeda wasn't in Iraq before we invaded. Look at what we do as a country. Our elected officials stick there noses in every damned country on the planet. Ever since WWII. And WWII is when it really started: McCarthyism and the fear of "godless" communists. Look where that lead...(I should not have to tell you that 9/11 and the Afghanistan war was the direct result of the US pushing it's ideology on the rest of the world for the past 70 years). Now throw in a nice dose of individuals believing this absurd "justice." Someone cuts you off on the highway and you shoot them. Someone "disses" you, and you shoot them. We place a kid who had a bag of marijuana in jail longer than some d-bag that beat his wife. And finish it off with the real problem: In the USA we are raising our boys poorly. The fact is, 90% of homicides in the US are perpetrated by males, though males only make up 49% of the population. This is insane. There is something fundamentally wrong with the way we are raising the boys in the USA. That is the problem. Boys are not taught how to cope with being made vulnerable. They aren't shown how to deal with situations in which they may have no control. Talking about gun control is like placing a band aid on a severed arm. It completely ignores the problem. And that problem is how we raise our boys. See Dr. Pollock's book Real Boys for further reading.
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Re:Official Gun Discussion Thread - Tuesday, December 18, 2012 2:26 AM ( #52 )
Yes I knew that deep down if everyone had a weapon there would be more deaths over the stupidest things ever. It is retarded to say this would not happen. Some of the things that really changed the world were guns and the atom bomb. If guns were never invented than having a massacre would really be harder to pull off. Guns for the public should only carry the capacity of two rounds or maybe 4 that you can fire, heck maybe even 1. The automatic weapons, grenades, and such should only be accessible to the military like many others have stated. Guns will never go away but at least maybe limiting the amount of ammo one can buy might help, like maybe only being able to buy 5 rounds of ammo per person. Imagine if the only guns that were available were ones with two rounds that you can fire and than would have to reload? It gives people more time to get away from a situation a lot better. So many people have died from guns. Guns should have maybe never been accessible to the public. 
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Re:Official Gun Discussion Thread - Tuesday, December 18, 2012 1:31 PM ( #53 )
An 11 year old brings a gun to school, his parents told him to . . .


http://www.salon.com/2012/12/18/utah_elementary_school_student_brought_gun_to_school/


Utah Fox affiliate Fox 13 reported that yesterday, a sixth grade student brought a .22-caliber pistol to West Kearns Elementary School, claiming that his parents encouraged him to bring the gun along as protection in response to the Newtown, Conn., shootings. He reportedly showed it to one of his classmates during recess. Sixth grader Isabel Rios said, “At recess, he pointed a gun to my head and said he was going to kill me.”  District officials said that they didn’t know about the weapon until 3 p.m., however. “Once the teacher knew there was a weapon in the classroom, the student was apprehended in 30 to 45 seconds and immediately brought down to the office and the police were on site within five to 10 minutes,” said Granite School District spokesman Ben Horsley. 
Parents were notified around 5:30, though many had learned the news from their children before then. 
The student has been suspended and taken into a juvenile facility.





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Re:Official Gun Discussion Thread - Tuesday, December 18, 2012 2:43 PM ( #54 )
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An 11 year old brings a gun to school, his parents told him to . . .


http://www.salon.com/2012/12/18/utah_elementary_school_student_brought_gun_to_school/


Utah Fox affiliate Fox 13 reported that yesterday, a sixth grade student brought a .22-caliber pistol to West Kearns Elementary School, claiming that his parents encouraged him to bring the gun along as protection in response to the Newtown, Conn., shootings. He reportedly showed it to one of his classmates during recess. Sixth grader Isabel Rios said, “At recess, he pointed a gun to my head and said he was going to kill me.”  District officials said that they didn’t know about the weapon until 3 p.m., however. “Once the teacher knew there was a weapon in the classroom, the student was apprehended in 30 to 45 seconds and immediately brought down to the office and the police were on site within five to 10 minutes,” said Granite School District spokesman Ben Horsley. 
Parents were notified around 5:30, though many had learned the news from their children before then. 
The student has been suspended and taken into a juvenile facility.



Damn, I stopped having recess in 5th grade.
 

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Re:Official Gun Discussion Thread - Tuesday, December 18, 2012 3:45 PM ( #55 )


 
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Re:Official Gun Discussion Thread - Tuesday, December 18, 2012 8:48 PM ( #56 )
 This killing was coming. There will be more like it. There, now no one can claim that no one saw the next one coming. I am starting to get angry now. It is a horrible feeling. I am angry because, as a city school teacher in the USA, I have had 5 of my students killed by gunfire. 4 of these students were not involved in gangs. Instead, it was just senseless violence. I am angry because in 12 years of teaching I have heard of kids dying on the streets of my city and No one, not one major media outlet has come and talked about this tragedy. The dead children (for that is their age range) are no less dead because they lived in our city or because the majority are black. I am angry because there is no public outcry when it is a kid I know simply because the kid is from the city. My society accepts this as normal. I am disgusted that suddenly killing this many kids is a tragedy, but never was before. NOW everyone wants gun controls and regulations, but before no one batted an eyelash, no one cried out and fell to their knees on the evening news. No one held their loved ones close on the cover of the NY Post. I was once asked how I cope with my students being murdered. I don't. Yet, there are no teams of trauma specialists lining up at my schools to deal with the daily tragedy that is my students lives. I am done with this country and its absurd notions of what is tragedy and what is not.
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Re:Official Gun Discussion Thread - Wednesday, December 19, 2012 5:19 PM ( #57 )
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 This killing was coming. There will be more like it. There, now no one can claim that no one saw the next one coming. I am starting to get angry now. It is a horrible feeling. I am angry because, as a city school teacher in the USA, I have had 5 of my students killed by gunfire. 4 of these students were not involved in gangs. Instead, it was just senseless violence. I am angry because in 12 years of teaching I have heard of kids dying on the streets of my city and No one, not one major media outlet has come and talked about this tragedy. The dead children (for that is their age range) are no less dead because they lived in our city or because the majority are black. I am angry because there is no public outcry when it is a kid I know simply because the kid is from the city. My society accepts this as normal. I am disgusted that suddenly killing this many kids is a tragedy, but never was before. NOW everyone wants gun controls and regulations, but before no one batted an eyelash, no one cried out and fell to their knees on the evening news. No one held their loved ones close on the cover of the NY Post. I was once asked how I cope with my students being murdered. I don't. Yet, there are no teams of trauma specialists lining up at my schools to deal with the daily tragedy that is my students lives. I am done with this country and its absurd notions of what is tragedy and what is not.
 
In New Orleans, where I lived, Kids would shot-up a school bus. There is shooting everyday. There is an expectation of violence that is in the black community that is not in the white or Asian communities. it is a different culture it has nothing to do with race.



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Re:Official Gun Discussion Thread - Wednesday, December 19, 2012 6:20 PM ( #58 )
 It is the same city I reside in, grew up in and live in. I am trying to wrap my head around what you are saying. It is true that by the time I was 18, 6 of my friends were dead or in jail. Of these 5 students of mine, 4 were murdered by people associated with gangs, though the boys were not part of gangs. 1 was killed in cold blood because the rumour was that he was a snitch. But he wasn't. Is there an expectation? Is there a disregard? I don' think so. I think our society turns a blind eye to what happens here and in New Orleans. I find that lack of empathy as disturbing (if not more so) than this recent school shooting. What could be more deplorable than indifference? But, make no mistake, the kids and myself (for that matter) take the events in stride for we know not what to do, find the constant violence to be a horrific thing. No less horrific than this shooting. And that is what angers me most. The people living in this community have begged for help, have screamed at the top of their lungs for help. I daresay our current mayor has heard it and I am rightfully glad that, yet again, the number of homicides in my city has declined. But, no. There is no expectation of violence. No acceptance of it. Just a lack of caring on a societal level.
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Re:Official Gun Discussion Thread - Wednesday, December 19, 2012 7:05 PM ( #59 )
i don't have a problem with guns... i have a problem with civilians with automatic machine guns
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Re:Official Gun Discussion Thread - Wednesday, December 19, 2012 7:33 PM ( #60 )
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Guns don't kill people people with guns kill people
sometimes swords
knives too
and fist
stairs was a big thing too

I say we ban people



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