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The Wii is the best console by far - Apr.-3th-2008 11:39:34

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Pure gaming machine, brings people together to play, Nintendo IP's, packed in game, affordable, fun motion games, fun non motion games....

I just wanted to join the x console is the best theme

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RE: The Wii is the best console by far - Apr.-3th-2008 11:41:18

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LOL this, of all the "X Console is the Best" threads, is likely to invite the most misbehavior tho IMHO

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RE: The Wii is the best console by far - Apr.-3th-2008 11:42:19

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Well you never know it could just be ignored like all others

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RE: The Wii is the best console by far - Apr.-3th-2008 11:46:17

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I like the Wii! I know Im lame. Kev is prolly sitting at his desk at work laughing at me. Damn wifey!

Edit: BUT def not my fav!

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RE: The Wii is the best console by far - Apr.-3th-2008 12:00:57

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In fairness my favorite thing about the Wii is I can catch up on all the Gamecube games I missed on top of playing Wii games. Plus, You can't beat Mario Party for Multi-Player Mayhem....

Why does everyone have to copy me too.

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RE: The Wii is the best console by far - Apr.-3th-2008 12:01:32

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In fairness my favorite thing about the Wii is I can catch up on all the Gamecube games I missed on top of playing Wii games. Plus, You can't beat Mario Party for Multi-Player Mayhem....

Why does everyone have to copy me too.

Quit being a whiner!

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RE: The Wii is the best console by far - Apr.-3th-2008 12:01:34

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LOL this, of all the "X Console is the Best" threads, is likely to invite the most misbehavior tho IMHO

Personally, I'm just disappointed you didn't start this one, Dub.

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RE: The Wii is the best console by far - Apr.-3th-2008 12:03:43

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LOL this, of all the "X Console is the Best" threads, is likely to invite the most misbehavior tho IMHO

Personally, I'm just disappointed you didn't start this one, Dub.

Seriously, Fanboys get on the rooftops and sing the praises of your systems. NOW!

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RE: The Wii is the best console by far - Apr.-3th-2008 12:06:15

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heh yeah I think that's what this morning is all about. PS3, 360, Wii, 3DO, Virtual Boy all getting props

and yes the Wii being able to play GC game is very nice to have

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RE: The Wii is the best console by far - Apr.-3th-2008 12:21:50

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While everyone moans about how greedy Microsoft or Sony are, they're not paying attention to the lactating cash cow that is the Mario franchise, which consists of well over 200 games, and other franchises 'the big N' likes to milk on a regular basis. People just don't seem to pay attention to this fact, becasue of the 'kid-friendly' nature that most of Nintendo's games like to adopt.

They're games may be kid-friendly, but if children today grew up to be the founders of corporations that follow Nintendo's business model, the world would be a worse off place.

Forget Microsoft, Nintendo are the epitomy of greed.

I'm done.

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RE: The Wii is the best console by far - Apr.-3th-2008 12:28:05

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Can't help it if Mario is well liked, well recieved, and stars in to good of games to be forgotten. It's not milking if they are good games... making a new Crash game would be milking the name... making a new Mario game would be sound advice and probably play well too. I said this in a post on the main page Nintendo doesn't have to make up the same game with a different face for they make good games I guess. Sony and MS need to make the same game but different main character to stay interesting. Same policies of games different means to get it.

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RE: The Wii is the best console by far - Apr.-3th-2008 12:29:23

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Agree with you LJ, To keep this on a more serious note. I believe that MS stands to fare best in the next-generation due to the dev support and install base they will have gained, but everyone is over looking the fact that Nintendo might just use the sick surplus of money they have been making and build a console that can spank MS and Sony. The only problem I see with this is they will still have to cater to the new casual fanbase they have accumulated while trying to service the Hardcore crowd to make them take it more seriously. Will be interesting for sure.

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RE: The Wii is the best console by far - Apr.-3th-2008 12:38:39

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Can't help it if Mario is well liked, well recieved, and stars in to good of games to be forgotten. It's not milking if they are good games... making a new Crash game would be milking the name... making a new Mario game would be sound advice and probably play well too. I said this in a post on the main page Nintendo doesn't have to make up the same game with a different face for they make good games I guess. Sony and MS need to make the same game but different main character to stay interesting. Same policies of games different means to get it.

I'd like to see this guy that so many people call a 'legend', Miyamoto, make a good game, that plays well, that doesn't feature one of his trademarked 'icons'. Didn't think so.

Meanwhile, Sony and Microsoft strive to create new and innovative ideas, to keep pushing the industry forward, so we don't end up with more of the same.

Because of Microsoft spurring the popularity of the shooter, we have had some absolute legends in the form of COD4, Halo (1 & 2, I don't care for 3), Gears of War, and others. Because of Sony, gamers now embrace originality, creativity and most importantly diversity in their gaming libraries.
Because of Nintendo, we've... been playing the same games for years, which get slightly prettier, and add one or two new gameplay mechanics each time round.

But, do Nintendo need to worry? No, of course they don't, because computer-illiterate Old Age Pensioners and 4-year-olds don't care about that sort of thing, and luckily for Nintendo, they count for the best part of their sales.

Note: I'm not really worried about this sort of thing, I just want to debate, sorry

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RE: The Wii is the best console by far - Apr.-3th-2008 12:53:45

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No need to be sorry that's what the forums are for debates we can't do in the main page right?

While Nintendo strives to make new ideas with old people they do not harbor this feeling of Madden which you are implying. The only reason Nintendo is known for so many used icons are because they've been around the longest and haven't been forced to make new characters that have been growing long in the tooth. How many IPs does Sony have to make because their newer ones lost that shinny new glow? How many games does MS have to buy becuase another Halo game takes forever to make? Racing games never change yet they are praised for bringing in so many new features... Sony has given us diversity but also given corps the idea of more is better not better is better, MS has shown us buy want you can and take the rest when able, and Nintendo has shown us stay the course.

While everyone has it's own politics and skeletons in the closest one can't fault a company for having characters the masses don't want to let go of. Even the tech savvy.

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RE: The Wii is the best console by far - Apr.-3th-2008 13:17:52

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Well, you have shed new light onto the points I haven't properly taken into consideration, and conveyed your points in a mature and well-mannered fashion, so thank you for your educated response.

But I digress. Back to the debate...

The only problem with your argument is that you state that "Sony has given us diversity but also given corps the idea of more is better not better is better". Well, that's true enough for Sony, what with the countless Madden annual clones and duplicate basketball games, etc. but this is also exactly what Nintendo is guilty of.

My point is, your argument of Nintendo not having to create new characters on a regular basis, unlike their competitors, can be looked at both ways. One possibility is that the characters taht Mr. Miyamoto dreamt up are so original and perfect, that they could last forever, no matter what.

However, I feel that the real reason these characters have found it so easy to stay alive, is that people don't really question the originality of nintendo's games and their protagonists, simply because it's, you know... Nintendo. It's Nintendo, therefore it's okay. It just is. Do you get what I'm saying?

Now, I won't argue that Nintendo do, at least, keep the quality unlike some (EA) but my point is that, due to the warm and fuzzy nature that Nintendo have garnered from fans via making cute and loveable games, and keeping the violence dial at zero, has made them almost invulnerable to criticism in regards to originality or milking of much-loved franchises.

My other problem with Nintendo is the direction they went with the Wii this generation, and that's sitting nicely on the support from the 'casual' gamer, meaning that some half-arsed crap like Carnival Games sells like hotcakes, and a genuinely original and fun game like Zack & Wicki falls far below the 500k mark. Meanwhile, Nintendo is laughing all the way to the bank, watching the money pour in, and only bothering to make a decet game every now and then. The aforementioned "warm and fuzzy image" I brought up earlier stops people from raising concern about Nintendo's motivations.

Also, Nintendo have defeated the point of "better is better", simply by the sheer amount of shovelware that exists on the Wii today. Sure, they don't make it, but they allow it to happen, becasue it costs them very little, and their gains are unparalelled.

As you can see, I tried to avoid the "fanboy wall o' text" by spacing it a lot, but my hands are still knackered

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RE: The Wii is the best console by far - Apr.-3th-2008 13:28:23

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Whoa, I went out to lunch and missed some good discussion. I just got my GH3 replacement disc in the mail and it didn't come w/ a free faceplate as an N4G story had pointed out it would

Weak.

Anyway, I keep hearing this argument that Nintendo's not innovating because they keep releasing Mario games but last I checked, Mario Kart, Mario Galaxy, Smash Bros, Mario RPG, Mario Paint, New Super Mario Bros, and Mario Hoops all had entirely different gameplay. Miyamoto's characters became iconic years ago because of their mass appeal and presence in some great games. I don't see why he should have to prove his "legendary" status by making games that do not feature these icons. I don't see ppl saying, "Valve? I'd like to see them make a game that isn't an FPS." or "I'd like to see a Sony title that has more artistic style than simply trying to recreate photo-realism." I don't think devs should aspire to be a jack-of-all-trades in terms of game development, but rather focus on what they do best. I wouldn't want Polyphony Digital making the next Mario Kart just as I wouldn't want Nintendo EAD making the next Gran Turismo.

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RE: The Wii is the best console by far - Apr.-3th-2008 13:43:24

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"I'd like to see a Sony title that has more artistic style than simply trying to recreate photo-realism."

Okami, Ico, Shadow of the Colossus...

And those are from just one developer.

EDIT: Sorry, Okami isn't developed by Team Ico, but my point still stands.

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RE: The Wii is the best console by far - Apr.-3th-2008 13:47:43

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lol yes spacing is good

ItsDubC has brought some good points to the front as well in terms of usage of the Mario name and the style it has created. That's what Nintendo does and is good at doing it just like Valve, Epic, Polyphony Digital, and so many others.

Seeing that I'm taking the defense position in the debate I have something to say in regards to the shovelware found on the Wii. While you say it's not Nintendo making it, but they are the ones letting it through that's not really fair. Nintendo is trying to right a wrong from 10+ years back. They haven't had any good 3rd party relations in a long time and now that people want to make games they need to say yes in order for those 3rd parties to come back to them when they have a real idea and want to make a real game. Building that relationship takes time and, yes, even shovelware. PS1 and 2 can attest to that!

Nintendo could easily say no to many crap games that have come out on the Wii but that would stop a lot of games from release. Not only the bad ones but future ones that would end up on a competitive console that perhaps end up spectacular.

Nintendo getting a pass on things is mainly due to them not speaking or announcing a lot of info till they know what all is available. Sony and MS promote things years in advance and give promises they never keep. Nintendo is more out of touch with PR and don't give any promises they haven't developed yet. What they tell you is what you get which people like.

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RE: The Wii is the best console by far - Apr.-3th-2008 13:53:51

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RE: The Wii is the best console by far - Apr.-3th-2008 13:56:38

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What they tell you is what you get which people like.

Keep in mind, though, that the sort of people that tend to buy a Wii, don't tend to 'research' what they're getting beforehand, much unlike you or me.

However, I can see your point. I'm not anti-Nintendo, I just wanted to bring up a few points that aren't generally considered by many, but yeah, the PS1 and PS2 can also attest to shovelware, I'll admit that.
I'd also like to add that the nature of the Wii, and it's fanbase, sort of negates the need for them to promise anything in terms of what their console can deliver, because people didn't buy it becasue of potential, they never expected great things from the Wii when they bought it. I'll lay off that one, though, because I'll just end up going round in circles as to why people bought it, and computer-illiterate Old Age Pensioners, 4-year-olds, etc.

Btw, I don't believe taking an Italian plumber with a fairly generic name in dungarees, and putting him in scenarios such as go-karting, golfing, fighting, etc. requires a great deal of visionary genius or creativity.

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