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Why does valve don't like Playstation 3? - Jul.-9th-2008 14:06:59

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After reading that Valve's new Zombie shooter Left 4 dead isn't coming to PS3 i am confused as of what does Valve has against PS3? I mean what? is it too hard to make games for and if that's their reason is then i think that they are lazy since its not that hard any more like it was a year ago and we can see that in the majority of multiplatform games..they almost look the same? So why do they don't like PS3? I mean even the ps3 version of Orange box was made by EA and not valve..so what the deal Valve? anybody has any opinions or thoughts about this?

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RE: Why does valve don't like Playstation 3? - Jul.-9th-2008 14:09:46

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because they would actually have to work, hehe. Basically, the ps3 has this crazy architecture, and valve does not want to spend the resources to learn and develop for this new type of multi core programming

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RE: Why does valve don't like Playstation 3? - Jul.-9th-2008 14:10:16

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I'm going out on a limb here and saying that valve has become a fat company and isn't up for any challenge that the PS3 offers. For too long they've been riding the gravy train of HL2. Basically they want to maximize success with minimal effort. They're also used to mostly ATI graphics card programming which puts the RSX in the scary category of things.

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RE: Why does valve don't like Playstation 3? - Jul.-9th-2008 14:10:37

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Because Gabe Newell is too stubborn to work around the PS3's architecture. They never really said Left 4 Dead isn't coming to the PS3, they just said that they wouldn't do it. If it did come to the PS3, I'm pretty sure EA would do the port.

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RE: Why does valve don't like Playstation 3? - Jul.-9th-2008 14:11:14

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After reading that Valve's new Zombie shooter Left 4 dead isn't coming to PS3 i am confused as of what does Valve has against PS3? I mean what? is it too hard to make games for and if that's their reason is then i think that they are lazy since its not that hard any more like it was a year ago and we can see that in the majority of multiplatform games..they almost look the same? So why do they don't like PS3? I mean even the ps3 version of Orange box was made by EA and not valve..so what the deal Valve? anybody has any opinions or thoughts about this?

I guess you didn't buy The Orange Box?

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RE: Why does valve don't like Playstation 3? - Jul.-9th-2008 14:12:22

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Because that fat guy doesn't wanna put in the work.

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RE: Why does valve don't like Playstation 3? - Jul.-9th-2008 14:13:53

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To be fair, they're not exactly a huge team given waht they do, so you can understand Newell's disdain at the hardware. But still, having EA port a game for you is a little embarassing.

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RE: Why does valve don't like Playstation 3? - Jul.-9th-2008 14:15:04

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because they would actually have to work, hehe. Basically, the ps3 has this crazy architecture, and valve does not want to spend the resources to learn and develop for this new type of multi core programming

LOL i guess..but still don't you think that any dev who says that "PS3's architechture is too complicated" is just d*** lazy..i mean look a Uncharted or MGS4..they never complained that PS3 is too hard for..don't you think..

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RE: Why does valve don't like Playstation 3? - Jul.-9th-2008 14:15:25

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Yes because they like to program on the PC and the 360 is like programing for the PC which is why the don't mind that console. They don't feel it's in their interest to throw away everything they know about programing so they can make a game for one more platform.

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RE: Why does valve don't like Playstation 3? - Jul.-9th-2008 14:17:22

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After reading that Valve's new Zombie shooter Left 4 dead isn't coming to PS3 i am confused as of what does Valve has against PS3? I mean what? is it too hard to make games for and if that's their reason is then i think that they are lazy since its not that hard any more like it was a year ago and we can see that in the majority of multiplatform games..they almost look the same? So why do they don't like PS3? I mean even the ps3 version of Orange box was made by EA and not valve..so what the deal Valve? anybody has any opinions or thoughts about this?

I guess you didn't buy The Orange Box?

i played it for a while (borrowed it from a friend)..but i dunno the 360 version runs a bit more smoother(i also tried the 360 version at a friend's house since i don't own one)..

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RE: Why does valve don't like Playstation 3? - Jul.-9th-2008 14:18:04

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I'm sure they would be given even more money if they were to develop on the PS3, so obviously there is something they don't like that is stopping them.

They're a developer and they choose which games they want to develop and what gaming platform(s) they want to develop on.

I really don't see what is gained by calling them fat and lazy.

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RE: Why does valve don't like Playstation 3? - Jul.-9th-2008 14:20:49

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if they dont want to learn how to dev for the ps3, why not just hire a team of programers that already do?

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RE: Why does valve don't like Playstation 3? - Jul.-9th-2008 14:23:02

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I'm sure they would be given even more money if they were to develop on the PS3, so obviously there is something they don't like that is stopping them.

They're a developer and they choose which games they want to develop and what gaming platform(s) they want to develop on.

I really don't see what is gained by calling them fat and lazy.

Really, only Portal has helped them in the past 3 years. Their release methods suck (anyone who had HL2 and HL2EP1 didn't bother getting the Orange box). TF2 too way to long to get here and has problems.

Really, Left4Dead is going to fall on it's face and Valve will be taking the heat for it... somehow... (although the game is only being distributed by them).

Yes I understand the creative process is long and hard, but I don't think it should take 2-3 years to develop 5 hours worth of new levels and story.

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RE: Why does valve don't like Playstation 3? - Jul.-9th-2008 14:26:48

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I'm sure they would be given even more money if they were to develop on the PS3, so obviously there is something they don't like that is stopping them.

They're a developer and they choose which games they want to develop and what gaming platform(s) they want to develop on.

I really don't see what is gained by calling them fat and lazy.

to be honest i never really called them fat and lazy...( well technically i did because gabe newell did said that Ps3 was a disastor programming wise) but still i don't get their reason behind not developing games for ps3..if its a different structure then why not learn it everybody else is doing the same thing aren't they? well except for Team Ninja..

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RE: Why does valve don't like Playstation 3? - Jul.-9th-2008 14:31:34

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I'm sure they would be given even more money if they were to develop on the PS3, so obviously there is something they don't like that is stopping them.

They're a developer and they choose which games they want to develop and what gaming platform(s) they want to develop on.

I really don't see what is gained by calling them fat and lazy.

to be honest i never really called them fat and lazy...( well technically i did because gabe newell did said that Ps3 was a disastor programming wise) but still i don't get their reason behind not developing games for ps3..if its a different structure then why not learn it everybody else is doing the same thing aren't they? well except for Team Ninja..

team ninja made Ninja Gaiden Sigma for the ps3, they know how too, but itagaki didnt want too

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RE: Why does valve don't like Playstation 3? - Jul.-9th-2008 14:34:35

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if they dont want to learn how to dev for the ps3, why not just hire a team of programers that already do?

Yeah but that's money out of their pockets? I think their responsibility as a developer is to make the best games that they can, NOT to put what they develop on as many consoles as possible to satisfy others.

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to be honest i never really called them fat and lazy...( well technically i did because gabe newell did said that Ps3 was a disastor programming wise) but still i don't get their reason behind not developing games for ps3..if its a different structure then why not learn it everybody else is doing the same thing aren't they? well except for Team Ninja..

I wasn't accusing anyone its just people in general are always complaining about this. That should be a pretty simple question...why not check their FAQs or ask them yourself.

To everyone...I'm an Xbox fan but that doesn't make me a Valve fan. I know it seems like I'm defending them but I don't like the Half Life series and I find it disgusting that the Orange Box was rated as high as other masterpieces of last year just because it was good value. Just because a developer chooses not to develop on your favourite game machine doesn't mean you have to lower yourself to name calling.

I also do not like this Gabe Newell guy. I always hear him complaining and I'll say the same thing I say to Mark Rein and CliffyB...Shut up and get back to work.

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RE: Why does valve don't like Playstation 3? - Jul.-9th-2008 14:42:37

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Valve's main focus has always been PC development. There is no point for them to learn the PS3 architecture. They have a small team and lack the resources.

It isn't like the PS3 has some revolutionary architecture for gaming. After the PS3 is gone. The cell architecture will not be used for PC gaming.

It was the same thing with the Emotion Engine in the PS2.

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RE: Why does valve don't like Playstation 3? - Jul.-9th-2008 14:46:54

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Valve's main focus has always been PC development. Thre is no point for them to learn the PS3 architecture. They have a small team and lack the resources.

It isn't like the PS3 has some revolutionary architecture for gaming. After the PS3 is gone. The cell architecture will not be used for PC gaming.

It was the same thing with the Emotion Engine in the PS2.

You edited out "or anything else". Good move.

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RE: Why does valve don't like Playstation 3? - Jul.-9th-2008 14:49:00

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You edited out "or anything else". Good move.

You saw it too? I thought I'd misread the first time, he beat the damn edit message...

EDIT: Oh, he didn't. I'm a little slow today, sorry.

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RE: Why does valve don't like Playstation 3? - Jul.-9th-2008 14:51:45

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Because gabe Newwell worked for MS for 10 years what not.... He is not going to bite the hand that helped him....

FROM WIKI

After dropping out of Harvard University[1] Newell spent thirteen years working for Microsoft Corporation, ultimately becoming a "Microsoft Millionaire." Newell has described himself as "producer on the first three releases of Windows".[2] Inspired by Michael Abrash, who left Microsoft to work on the computer game Quake at id Software, Newell and another Microsoft employee Mike Harrington left Microsoft to found Valve in 1996.[2] He and Harrington used their money to fund Valve through the development of Half-Life.

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