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Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? - Thursday, January 24, 2013 6:06 PM
I'm referring to the US, but I'm sure every other country that has a president is applicable. I realize he/she is the leader of the country, but in the case of the United States, we elect a new one every 4 years anyway. Is it the headache of replacing him? He always has extra heavy-duty security on him, and it seems any sacrifice would be made to keep him safe.
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Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? - Thursday, January 24, 2013 6:08 PM
We're talking about a human life here not an object that can be easily replaced.
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Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? - Thursday, January 24, 2013 6:12 PM
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We're talking about a human life here not an object that can be easily replaced.



yet the president himself orders the death of thousands of people in the middle east, lots of which are children.



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Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? - Thursday, January 24, 2013 6:13 PM
Kon


We're talking about a human life here not an object that can be easily replaced.



As terrible as some of you will think this sounds the last two words are false.


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Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? - Thursday, January 24, 2013 6:15 PM
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Kon


We're talking about a human life here not an object that can be easily replaced.



As terrible as some of you will think this sounds the last two words are false.



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Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? - Thursday, January 24, 2013 6:33 PM
It's just a waste of valuable time and money..... Well so is the 'Government' as a whole.

Only good it does is, that it keeps some guys from Unemployment.
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Plus, this is not just an issue in the USA.
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Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? - Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:11 PM
Kon


We're talking about a human life here not an object that can be easily replaced.



The other's are right about the replaceable part. But also, everyone in the country is a human life. You don't see government agents following everyone around.

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Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? - Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:15 PM
Also may i state that the majority of the people in the world are sheep. They cry for independence, democracy, freedom, but they still require someone to lead them and tell them what to do, or to give them stuff. Another reason why a person like the president's life is valued so much. But there are a plethora of reasons, some that we'd probably not even think of.


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Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? - Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:17 PM
Vice Presidents are chosen to make his life that valuable.

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Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? - Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:19 PM
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Also may i state that the majority of the people in the world are sheep. They cry for independence, democracy, freedom, but they still require someone to lead them and tell them what to do, or to give them stuff. Another reason why a person like the president's life is valued so much. But there are a plethora of reasons, some that we'd probably not even think of.



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Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? - Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:20 PM
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Vice Presidents are chosen to make his life that valuable.



I don't understand. I think there's sarcasm here somewhere...

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Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? - Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:23 PM
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Vice Presidents are chosen to make his life that valuable.



I don't understand. I think there's sarcasm here somewhere...



It's all over the comment.
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Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? - Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:24 PM
A world without government is ridiculous.
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Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? - Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:27 PM
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Also may i state that the majority of the people in the world are sheep. They cry for independence, democracy, freedom, but they still require someone to lead them and tell them what to do, or to give them stuff. Another reason why a person like the president's life is valued so much. But there are a plethora of reasons, some that we'd probably not even think of.



Hold on, are you saying that you're a completely independent individual, and have no need for leadership?

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Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? - Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:33 PM
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Also may i state that the majority of the people in the world are sheep. They cry for independence, democracy, freedom, but they still require someone to lead them and tell them what to do, or to give them stuff. Another reason why a person like the president's life is valued so much. But there are a plethora of reasons, some that we'd probably not even think of.



Hold on, are you saying that you're a completely independent individual, and have no need for leadership?



Well I am against 90% of the things already done, I disagree with most things done in government and in general. I criticize everything and anything. I certainly like to think I have no need for someone to lead me. My personality doesn't lend well to that.


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Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? - Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:37 PM
 

Kon A world without government is ridiculous.
How so? Humans survived for THOUSANDS of years without government... None whatsoever. In reality, we are a social animal that tends to stay in packs. Since we are Primates we already have (again) for THOUSANDS of years developed a very real way to survive without killing each other and wiping ourselves out. When you consider that the world's police forces are vastly outnumbered by the populace, the populace (for the most part) don't run through the streets killing, raping, robbing, and assaulting. In fact, right now, we are in the most peaceful time in human history.
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Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? - Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:44 PM
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Kon A world without government is ridiculous.
How so? Humans survived for THOUSANDS of years without government... None whatsoever. In reality, we are a social animal that tends to stay in packs. Since we are Primates we already have (again) for THOUSANDS of years developed a very real way to survive without killing each other and wiping ourselves out. When you consider that the world's police forces are vastly outnumbered by the populace, the populace (for the most part) don't run through the streets killing, raping, robbing, and assaulting. In fact, right now, we are in the most peaceful time in human history.



I keep trying to explain this to people, especially after moments like the recent shootings. Constant remarks of "What is this world coming to? This world has become so terrible and dangerous". And I'm just sitting there thinking, well I dunno about that, we don't have bands of 100s of men conquering villages raping and burning and murdering anyone much anymore do we? We don't have a 300 year long holy wars anymore do we? 


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Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? - Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:45 PM
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Kon A world without government is ridiculous.
How so? Humans survived for THOUSANDS of years without government... None whatsoever. In reality, we are a social animal that tends to stay in packs. Since we are Primates we already have (again) for THOUSANDS of years developed a very real way to survive without killing each other and wiping ourselves out. When you consider that the world's police forces are vastly outnumbered by the populace, yet the populace (for the most part) don't run through the streets killing, raping, robbing, and assaulting. In fact, right now, we are in the most peaceful time in human history.



Just because you outnumber someone doesn't mean you can overpower them. Ever see 300? An organized, well-equipped military will likely crush anything not on that level. Also, the reason we don't have as much killing and robbing as we would is BECAUSE of government's law enforcement.

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Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? - Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:46 PM
Yeah we should just let people continually assassinate the president. 


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Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? - Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:49 PM
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Well I am against 90% of the things already done, I disagree with most things done in government and in general. I criticize everything and anything. I certainly like to think I have no need for someone to lead me. My personality doesn't lend well to that.
This. All the laws have already been written, in fact, I would love to see many repealed. (Don't get me wrong) The existing laws just need to be enforced.

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Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? - Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:57 PM
I have a question for you OP. How is it going to look to other countries, if the leader of America the most powerful country in the world get's assassinated? 


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Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? - Thursday, January 24, 2013 8:05 PM
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Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? - Thursday, January 24, 2013 8:07 PM
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Yeah we should just let people continually assassinate the president. 



You seem to be aggressive towards me. Hey, if we keep popping out new Presidents after each assassination, they'll stop eventually. We just need a line of willing sacrifices.

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Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? - Thursday, January 24, 2013 8:12 PM
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We're talking about a human life here not an object that can be easily replaced.



yet the president himself orders the death of thousands of people in the middle east, lots of which are children.

the most ignorant statement it has been my misfortune to have stumbled across my monitor. Do you understand how war, or even conflict contingencies operate?  The president can't declare war without congress, even then  our military generals, secretary of defense or basic entry level officers have more say on what happens on a battlefield than the president in the whitehouse.    Mr panetta has more say involvement than the president on the children we "order to death"
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Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? - Thursday, January 24, 2013 8:16 PM
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Yeah we should just let people continually assassinate the president. 



You seem to be aggressive towards me. Hey, if we keep popping out new Presidents after each assassination, they'll stop eventually. We just need a line of willing sacrifices.

Nah, not really, but i thought it was a really retarded question. Just being honest. 


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Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? - Thursday, January 24, 2013 8:20 PM
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Yeah we should just let people continually assassinate the president. 



You seem to be aggressive towards me. Hey, if we keep popping out new Presidents after each assassination, they'll stop eventually. We just need a line of willing sacrifices.

Nah, not really, but i thought it was a really retarded question. Just being honest. 

tbh i'm a bit disapointed i even took the bait in this thread title. made for intersting conversation, and also helped reaffirm my lack of faith in mankind
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Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? - Thursday, January 24, 2013 8:28 PM
The idea is rooted in the concept of a family.

Just like the idea is to protect the head of a family, we protect the president.

Or you can think of it analogous to cutting the head off a dragon. President being the head, it's something we protect so that every thing functions accordingly. 


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Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? - Thursday, January 24, 2013 8:36 PM
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Nah, not really, but i thought it was a really retarded question. Just being honest.

I meant the sarcasm and the rhetorical question. So how far should we go to preserve him? What AREN'T we willing to do to keep his life?

EDIT: Also, it's not like it hasn't happened before. Assassination, I mean...

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Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? - Thursday, January 24, 2013 8:40 PM
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We're talking about a human life here not an object that can be easily replaced.



yet the president himself orders the death of thousands of people in the middle east, lots of which are children.

the most ignorant statement it has been my misfortune to have stumbled across my monitor. Do you understand how war, or even conflict contingencies operate?  The president can't declare war without congress, even then  our military generals, secretary of defense or basic entry level officers have more say on what happens on a battlefield than the president in the whitehouse.    Mr panetta has more say involvement than the president on the children we "order to death"



So you're saying that 1 man does not make a decision to kill thousands of people, but around 60 or 70 do.

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Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? - Thursday, January 24, 2013 8:57 PM
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The idea is rooted in the concept of a family.

Just like the idea is to protect the head of a family, we protect the president.

Or you can think of it analogous to cutting the head off a dragon. President being the head, it's something we protect so that every thing functions accordingly. 

Well done skv, I'm out of here. 




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Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? - Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:04 PM
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Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? - Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:20 PM
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Kon A world without government is ridiculous.
How so? Humans survived for THOUSANDS of years without government... None whatsoever. In reality, we are a social animal that tends to stay in packs. Since we are Primates we already have (again) for THOUSANDS of years developed a very real way to survive without killing each other and wiping ourselves out. When you consider that the world's police forces are vastly outnumbered by the populace, yet the populace (for the most part) don't run through the streets killing, raping, robbing, and assaulting. In fact, right now, we are in the most peaceful time in human history.



Just because you outnumber someone doesn't mean you can overpower them. Ever see 300? An organized, well-equipped military will likely crush anything not on that level. Also, the reason we don't have as much killing and robbing as we would is BECAUSE of government's law enforcement.



Finally something interesting worth talking about on here. 


So you're saying we're basically animals without self control and we need a governing body to control us. Or did I mix that up.
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Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? - Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:23 PM
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The idea is rooted in the concept of a family.

Just like the idea is to protect the head of a family, we protect the president.

Or you can think of it analogous to cutting the head off a dragon. President being the head, it's something we protect so that every thing functions accordingly. 

Well done skv, I'm out of here. 





Why do you and I always seem to agree on da same things? I was gon repost Skv post but alas that gif is too awesome.


Anyway, as Skv adequately put, the president, as a single individual, represents the countries current ideals, goals and viewpoints. In other words he's the poster boy or personification of what the US stands for. This, (both inadvertently and purposefully) makes him the leader, or the best person suited to personify this countries ideals.


However, Contrary to what the constitution says, we all aren't created equal, so we have to elect someone (a leader) that we can later cry to about not being free 
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Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? - Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:34 PM
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The idea is rooted in the concept of a family.

Just like the idea is to protect the head of a family, we protect the president.

Or you can think of it analogous to cutting the head off a dragon. President being the head, it's something we protect so that every thing functions accordingly. 

Well done skv, I'm out of here. 





Why do you and I always seem to agree on da same things? I was gon repost Skv post but alas that gif is too awesome.


Anyway, as Skv adequately put, the president, as a single individual, represents the countries current ideals, goals and viewpoints. In other words he's the poster boy or personification of what the US stands for. This, (both inadvertently and purposefully) makes him the leader, or the best person suited to personify this countries ideals.


However, Contrary to what the constitution says, we all aren't created equal, so we have to elect someone (a leader) that we can later cry to about not being free 



I think that it doesn't contradict the constitution. 
Constitution says we are created equally, and we will protect our freedom, even at the cost of our lives.

Like you mentioned, the president is the "poster boy or personification of what the US stands for."
USA has always been about freedom and equality. 


By protecting the president, we are protecting the very things. The claim that we are all created equal, the claim that freedom is a right. Both of which, we will gladly die to protect.


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Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? - Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:54 PM
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Kon A world without government is ridiculous.
How so? Humans survived for THOUSANDS of years without government... None whatsoever. In reality, we are a social animal that tends to stay in packs. Since we are Primates we already have (again) for THOUSANDS of years developed a very real way to survive without killing each other and wiping ourselves out. When you consider that the world's police forces are vastly outnumbered by the populace, yet the populace (for the most part) don't run through the streets killing, raping, robbing, and assaulting. In fact, right now, we are in the most peaceful time in human history.



Just because you outnumber someone doesn't mean you can overpower them. Ever see 300? An organized, well-equipped military will likely crush anything not on that level. Also, the reason we don't have as much killing and robbing as we would is BECAUSE of government's law enforcement.



Finally something interesting worth talking about on here. 


So you're saying we're basically animals without self control and we need a governing body to control us. Or did I mix that up.

 
To some extent. Who else but an animal would slaughter a school full of children? Are YOU saying we don't need law enforcement???

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Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? - Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:07 PM
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Kon A world without government is ridiculous.
How so? Humans survived for THOUSANDS of years without government... None whatsoever. In reality, we are a social animal that tends to stay in packs. Since we are Primates we already have (again) for THOUSANDS of years developed a very real way to survive without killing each other and wiping ourselves out. When you consider that the world's police forces are vastly outnumbered by the populace, yet the populace (for the most part) don't run through the streets killing, raping, robbing, and assaulting. In fact, right now, we are in the most peaceful time in human history.



Just because you outnumber someone doesn't mean you can overpower them. Ever see 300? An organized, well-equipped military will likely crush anything not on that level. Also, the reason we don't have as much killing and robbing as we would is BECAUSE of government's law enforcement.



Finally something interesting worth talking about on here. 


So you're saying we're basically animals without self control and we need a governing body to control us. Or did I mix that up.


To some extent. Who else but an animal would slaughter a school full of children? Are YOU saying we don't need law enforcement???
 

That's exactly what I'm saying, it's not a necessity. And that people are using that example an excuse to increase law enforcement is just ludicrous. Fear is unfortunately, a very powerful weapon.


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Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? - Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:07 PM
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The idea is rooted in the concept of a family.

Just like the idea is to protect the head of a family, we protect the president.

Or you can think of it analogous to cutting the head off a dragon. President being the head, it's something we protect so that every thing functions accordingly. 

Well done skv, I'm out of here. 





Why do you and I always seem to agree on da same things? I was gon repost Skv post but alas that gif is too awesome.


Anyway, as Skv adequately put, the president, as a single individual, represents the countries current ideals, goals and viewpoints. In other words he's the poster boy or personification of what the US stands for. This, (both inadvertently and purposefully) makes him the leader, or the best person suited to personify this countries ideals.


However, Contrary to what the constitution says, we all aren't created equal, so we have to elect someone (a leader) that we can later cry to about not being free 



I think that it doesn't contradict the constitution. 
Constitution says we are created equally, and we will protect our freedom, even at the cost of our lives.

Like you mentioned, the president is the "poster boy or personification of what the US stands for."
USA has always been about freedom and equality. 


By protecting the president, we are protecting the very things. The claim that we are all created equal, the claim that freedom is a right. Both of which, we will gladly die to protect.



Free from what though? I never quite understood this. We are given rights from the same ppl who can take em. Maybe I don't quite undestand politics or something but who are we free from? The British? The Russians? The Japanese? We haven't faced an invasion since the 18th century. All we seem to do is invade but that's another story. I don't get how I'm free though. I got rights that can be taken away at any moment. Most issues seem to be domesticated. In a weird way this country is like Gotham after Bane took over 


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Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? - Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:50 PM
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Free from what though? I never quite understood this. We are given rights from the same ppl who can take em. Maybe I don't quite undestand politics or something but who are we free from? The British? The Russians? The Japanese? We haven't faced an invasion since the 18th century. All we seem to do is invade but that's another story. I don't get how I'm free though. I got rights that can be taken away at any moment. Most issues seem to be domesticated. In a weird way this country is like Gotham after Bane took over 


That's kinda an overly philosophical for which I don't think I am qualified to answer.

I think someone from an oppressed country coming to USA can answer that much better. Any of the rebels in Libya, if they had a chance to come to USA and live as an American. I think they would be able to tell us what we are free 'from'. 
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Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? - Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:47 PM
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Free from what though? I never quite understood this. We are given rights from the same ppl who can take em. Maybe I don't quite undestand politics or something but who are we free from? The British? The Russians? The Japanese? We haven't faced an invasion since the 18th century. All we seem to do is invade but that's another story. I don't get how I'm free though. I got rights that can be taken away at any moment. Most issues seem to be domesticated. In a weird way this country is like Gotham after Bane took over 



And then this is where everything falls apart. Rights aren't given, they are't earned, they don't get taken away over time or added for being good little children. They're rights, not privileges. Why is it they can take them away? Don't work like ethat dude. So I guess I agree with this post. But you're right, what is it that soldiers of America are defending me from? A bunch of men in wholes who haven't done anything in decades? They're more concerned with murdering the people who are invading their country currently.

So what then?


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Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? - Friday, January 25, 2013 6:00 AM
Whenever the leader of a country gets assassinated it makes the country look weak, helpless and creates panic. It would be pretty bad for the USA if this happened. They're one of the biggest superpowers in the world, can destroy countries, over throw dictators but can't protect the one man in charge of all of this? You can't be made to look that weak.


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