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What if? - Monday, February 04, 2013 8:50 AM
So what game do you guys think would have been good, or better if you swapped out the main character? For exampler MGS2 would've been a masterpiece had you played as Snake and not Raiden. Or FFXII would have been playable if you played as Balthier instead of Van. 


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Re:What if? - Monday, February 04, 2013 8:53 AM
MGS4 woulda been a Masterpiece if you played as Raiden and not Saggy old snake.

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Re:What if? - Monday, February 04, 2013 8:55 AM
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MGS4 woulda been a Masterpiece if you played as Raiden and not Saggy old snake.




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Re:What if? - Monday, February 04, 2013 8:59 AM
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So what game do you guys think would have been good, or better if you swapped out the main character? For exampler MGS2 would've been a masterpiece had you played as Snake and not Raiden. Or FFXII would have been playable if you played as Balthier instead of Van. 


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Re:What if? - Monday, February 04, 2013 9:02 AM
I heard Baltier was supposed to be the main character. But Squaresoft and Enix had just merged so they needed a half man as the MC.

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Re:What if? - Monday, February 04, 2013 9:20 AM
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So what game do you guys think would have been good, or better if you swapped out the main character? For exampler MGS2 would've been a masterpiece had you played as Snake and not Raiden. Or FFXII would have been playable if you played as Balthier instead of Van. 


 
Are you saying you liked Van?!?!?!?! The horror....the horror. Even FFXII fans don't like Van...




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Re:What if? - Monday, February 04, 2013 9:25 AM
There was nothing wrong with that game, it was the perfect Final Fantasy.
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Re:What if? - Monday, February 04, 2013 9:30 AM
Van ruined it

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Re:What if? - Monday, February 04, 2013 9:47 AM
Halo 2 for sure if you did not play as the Arbiter Alien... I loved Halo CE and Halo 3 was bang on I wished I had the chance for Halo 4 it is so awesome looking...


but yeah I hated Halo 2 cause you switched back and forth between a character I cared little about and wanted to kill....
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Re:What if? - Monday, February 04, 2013 9:49 AM
I loved playing as the arbiter, I never got why people don't like him. Actually could you explain Fatman? I liked the invisibility and having Elites with you >>> Marines. Also his side of the story was good. He was at the center of a Civil war in the covenant.
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Re:What if? - Monday, February 04, 2013 9:51 AM
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There was nothing wrong with that gameT, it was the perfect Final Fantasy.

Van existed. 


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Re:What if? - Monday, February 04, 2013 10:09 AM
It may not be a main character, but Vanielle should've been taken out of the game and story in general. I stopped playing FF13 because of Vanielle, Hope, and Snow.

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Re:What if? - Monday, February 04, 2013 10:12 AM
Rage_S90


So what game do you guys think would have been good, or better if you swapped out the main character? For exampler MGS2 would've been a masterpiece had you played as Snake and not Raiden. Or FFXII would have been playable if you played as Balthier instead of Van. 



I am just gonna pretend you never said this, and move on 

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Re:What if? - Monday, February 04, 2013 10:22 AM
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So what game do you guys think would have been good, or better if you swapped out the main character? For exampler MGS2 would've been a masterpiece had you played as Snake and not Raiden.

MGS2 was a masterpiece, and because you played as Raiden.


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Re:What if? - Monday, February 04, 2013 10:27 AM
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I loved playing as the arbiter, I never got why people don't like him. Actually could you explain Fatman? I liked the invisibility and having Elites with you >>> Marines. Also his side of the story was good. He was at the center of a Civil war in the covenant.





Well it was like this... 


I was looking to play as the good guys playing as the arbiter always made me feel bad even if he was doing good... 

I wanted to play Master Chief... it felt like a chore to play this alien just to get back to playing as master chief...

I think it was more of a shock as well from CE to be playing the Alien... almost as if they wanted to break up the game play and bring something a little fresh in style only it was style to me and felt tacked on...

The best way to describe the feeling is like when you are playing a game and you have to escort bad Ai to the a safe zone just so you can get back to the better levels of game play...


That said.... I liked the Master chief parts of Halo 2 they were awesome but the arbiter  part for me dragged it down...


That said... I love the Halo series... wish and hope one day I can play the 4th one....
all in all the good in all those games out way the bad hugely... I am not trying to stir the pot.... can't say enough about halo... and I would not tell other not to play Halo 2 because I did not like the mission with the arbiter... because I know there are a lot of people that did like them...


I did not...
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Re:What if? - Monday, February 04, 2013 10:42 AM
Guess I simply liked the more complex story. I never really mind playing as the enemies, I would absolutely love to play as a Helghast in Killzone for example.

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Re:What if? - Monday, February 04, 2013 11:07 AM
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Guess I simply liked the more complex story. I never really mind playing as the enemies, I would absolutely love to play as a Helghast in Killzone for example.





No I don;t think it has anything to do with the complexity of the story... I enjoy a complex story but I hate playing bad guys and I think that is where it comes from...


I Even in games like Killzone or starwars RPGs or Mass effect anything with choice... between good and bad I always play good... and never the bad..

Even games like infamous where you play a guy that can be played as good or as bad... I really tried playing bad and I hated it even though his character as the bad guy had way better powers and effects...



I think that is where it comes from for me at least...

GTA man... I just would not know where to start on what I hated about that game.... the only kool thing I liked about that was all cars and how they felt when driving them.... everything else.... I hated... or was disgusted with ....


Paying hookers for health...  come on... if anything that should decrease your health....
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Re:What if? - Monday, February 04, 2013 11:27 AM
moegooner88



I am just gonna pretend you never said this, and move on 

I was being hyperbolic. I finished the game and liked it. 


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Re:What if? - Monday, February 04, 2013 11:32 AM
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moegooner88



I am just gonna pretend you never said this, and move on 

I was being hyperbolic. I finished the game and liked it. 



, on topic I hate master chief, Halo would have done better with a character like Crash, or Ratchet , pew pew pew !


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Re:What if? - Monday, February 04, 2013 11:35 AM
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moegooner88



I am just gonna pretend you never said this, and move on 

I was being hyperbolic. I finished the game and liked it. 



, on topic I hate master chief, Halo would have done better with a character like Crash, or Ratchet , pew pew pew !





No I don;t think so Master Chief was pretty bad ass...  I like how they never shown his face... it was pretty smart....
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Re:What if? - Monday, February 04, 2013 12:10 PM
I think no Bayonetta would have been better. I know her character fits in with the style of the game but she was just too OTT.

Nero (DMC4) - he's a sh*tty version of Dante. Should have stuck with Dante.

Killzone 2 - Generic space marine. If GG used someone with a more unique personality that could have been utilised during the writing of the script the ISA might have had a face. People only remember Radec and Visari. Swapping Shev with the chick from KZ1 would have been better. A leading female commanding soldiers in an FPS would have been a nice touch.


Not main character:

Kai Leng - One of the lamest most generic enemies ever made. Not only was his design bad but he was boring. They should have given him a personality for starters, but dressing him up in that Cerberus gear just made him look like an ordinary goon. Bioware missed a chance to create a person who you'd dread encountering throughout the game. Samara's daughter should have been brought back, given her chance to take revenge on Shepard and her mother. 

 


On MGS2, that game was ahead of it's time. The attention to detail was amazing in that game: Snake would sneeze when he was in the cold for too long, bullets would pile up, bottles and food would smash when shot, you could see yourself in the mirror, wet footsteps would go from outside to in, snake would tip toe over bodies, guns were detailed, etc.


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Re:What if? - Monday, February 04, 2013 6:38 PM
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So what game do you guys think would have been good, or better if you swapped out the main character? For exampler MGS2 would've been a masterpiece had you played as Snake and not Raiden. Or FFXII would have been playable if you played as Balthier instead of Van. 




The bolded statement is the least true thing I've ever read in my life. MGS2 would have made absolutely no sense and have been a pointless game if you had played as Snake and not Raiden. The entire point of the game was to orchestrate the events surrounding a complete amateur and bend his will (Selection for Societal Sanity, S3 plan). In the case of MGS2, the Shadow Moses incident was simulated. Reusing Snake as the main character would have made this completely imbecilic, nonsensical, and purely just a way for Kojima Productions to not risk irritating fans. They took a risk and delivered tremendously.  

Anyway, what if Tomonobu Itagaki never left Team Ninja? Answer: We wouldn't have to suffer the abomination that is Ninja Gaiden 3.
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Re:What if? - Monday, February 04, 2013 6:56 PM
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I think no Bayonetta would have been better. I know her character fits in with the style of the game but she was just too OTT.

Nero (DMC4) - he's a sh*tty version of Dante. Should have stuck with Dante.

Killzone 2 - Generic space marine. If GG used someone with a more unique personality that could have been utilised during the writing of the script the ISA might have had a face. People only remember Radec and Visari. Swapping Shev with the chick from KZ1 would have been better. A leading female commanding soldiers in an FPS would have been a nice touch.


Not main character:

Kai Leng - One of the lamest most generic enemies ever made. Not only was his design bad but he was boring. They should have given him a personality for starters, but dressing him up in that Cerberus gear just made him look like an ordinary goon. Bioware missed a chance to create a person who you'd dread encountering throughout the game. Samara's daughter should have been brought back, given her chance to take revenge on Shepard and her mother. 




On MGS2, that game was ahead of it's time. The attention to detail was amazing in that game: Snake would sneeze when he was in the cold for too long, bullets would pile up, bottles and food would smash when shot, you could see yourself in the mirror, wet footsteps would go from outside to in, snake would tip toe over bodies, guns were detailed, etc.





God damn Red That is an excellent pick... If killzone had a more charismatic or more interesting charter I would have liked it better as well... 
I think Resistance suffered from this as well... we just don;t want mindless shooters give us a reason to want to play and win... and so on...  having a just a bad ass evil character or group is not going to pull it we need a good guy that we want to play ass...  A Han Solo, our Indian Jones Master Chief, out 007 if you will a missing link was just that....
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Re:What if? - Monday, February 04, 2013 7:01 PM
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I think no Bayonetta would have been better. I know her character fits in with the style of the game but she was just too OTT.

Nero (DMC4) - he's a sh*tty version of Dante. Should have stuck with Dante.

Killzone 2 - Generic space marine. If GG used someone with a more unique personality that could have been utilised during the writing of the script the ISA might have had a face. People only remember Radec and Visari. Swapping Shev with the chick from KZ1 would have been better. A leading female commanding soldiers in an FPS would have been a nice touch.



I think Bayonetta should be praised. It seems like games are always conservatively scrutinized far more than anything other medium of entertainment, so praise to a game brimming with as much ridiculousness as it.


As for Nero, he wasn't the greatest character, but I think the addition of Dante in DMC4 was pointless and stupid. His parts were less fun because the game was designed around Nero. If they were going to do the old main-character-switcheroo, they should have gone through with it 100%


As for Killzone 2 I suppose I agree. But the thing is, I just didn't like the game at all, so I'm not sure even any of that would save it for me. Terrible characters, uneventful/unsatisfying end-game boss, awkward aim movement, questionably designed multiplayer leveling system, etc.

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Re:What if? - Monday, February 04, 2013 7:25 PM
 I had no problem with Raiden and I loved MGS2. Then again, I played it before MGS1 and went into it having no idea what to expect. By the end, the story was so confusing for me back then as a 16 year old that I was just admiring the gameplay and special effects. Sometimes I wonder what it would have been like having Auron as a main character in a Final Fantasy game, but that's too good an idea for Square to want to pursue.

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Re:What if? - Monday, February 04, 2013 7:38 PM
Legend Of Zelda would've been better if Zelda was a girl.

SuperMario would've been better if Luigi was the main character.

MGS would've been better if you played as Ocelot.

FFX would be better if you played as Auron.

Batman would've been better if the main character was Bruce Wayne.

I forgot what this thread is about.



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Re:What if? - Monday, February 04, 2013 9:34 PM
MGS2 would have made absolutely no sense and have been a pointless game if you had played as Snake and not Raiden.

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Re:What if? - Monday, February 04, 2013 9:40 PM
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Halo 2 for sure if you did not play as the Arbiter Alien... I loved Halo CE and Halo 3 was bang on I wished I had the chance for Halo 4 it is so awesome looking...


but yeah I hated Halo 2 cause you switched back and forth between a character I cared little about and wanted to kill....



Playing as Arbiter was the best part! In fact many people were disappointed because when you played as Arbiter in halo 3 it was so lack luster and boring. Arbiter is infinitely a better character than MC.


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Re:What if? - Monday, February 04, 2013 10:54 PM
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Halo 2 for sure if you did not play as the Arbiter Alien... I loved Halo CE and Halo 3 was bang on I wished I had the chance for Halo 4 it is so awesome looking...


but yeah I hated Halo 2 cause you switched back and forth between a character I cared little about and wanted to kill....



Playing as Arbiter was the best part! In fact many people were disappointed because when you played as Arbiter in halo 3 it was so lack luster and boring. Arbiter is infinitely a better character than MC.





Maybe for you... but I would think Halo staring the Arbiter and master chief as the side kick would suck ass...


but that said... they have made many games around Master Chief... not the other way around...
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Re:What if? - Monday, February 04, 2013 11:06 PM
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Legend Of Zelda would've been better if Zelda was a girl.

SuperMario would've been better if Luigi was the main character.

MGS would've been better if you played as Ocelot.

FFX would be better if you played as Auron.

Batman would've been better if the main character was Bruce Wayne.

I forgot what this thread is about.



I am soo confused by this right now.




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Re:What if? - Monday, February 04, 2013 11:08 PM
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So what game do you guys think would have been good, or better if you swapped out the main character? For exampler MGS2 would've been a masterpiece had you played as Snake and not Raiden. Or FFXII would have been playable if you played as Balthier instead of Van. 



THANK YOU.
I agree 100%, I hated Van, and always wondered.. why couldn't we play balthier.


I never finished the game, but my brother told me that Baltheiir was a badass until the very end. 


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Re:What if? - Tuesday, February 05, 2013 12:32 AM
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Legend Of Zelda would've been better if Zelda was a girl.




I am soo confused by this right now.





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Re:What if? - Tuesday, February 05, 2013 2:46 AM
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Legend Of Zelda would've been better if Zelda was a girl.

SuperMario would've been better if Luigi was the main character.

MGS would've been better if you played as Ocelot.

FFX would be better if you played as Auron.

Batman would've been better if the main character was Bruce Wayne.

I forgot what this thread is about.



I am soo confused by this right now.

I was browsing the thread and was gonna post this....you got to it before I did