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ORIGINAL: Tempist

I have not forgotten, infact, the invasion of Hong Kong greatly affected my family and as a result I am where I am today as a result. None the less, it was western interference in an eastern nation conflict, that's where the problem stands. Western powers had no problems with heavily trading with Japan and China in the 1920s and 1930s.

And if you're going to call on Japan's bad for allying with the National Socialist party of Germany, then you're going to have to go after the Soviet Union for it's complacency during German's invasion of Poland and other European Countries. As well, you have to go after Italy for also allying with Germany.

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ORIGINAL: Dr Pepper


I don't see how Japan allying with Germany is the same as the SU holding off on getting involved in another huge war (they were hit hard in WW1). Besides, the fact that the Soviet Union was on our side ended the war, as Hitler stretched his forces too far and the Soviets were the ones to invade Berlin. It is hard to hold a grudge against them in that particular event in history, as they played a big part in the Allied victory in Europe.

And I realize there is a lot of events building up to the war. We can argue forever and go back many more years to find starting events to any conflict. The fact remains that moving a fleet to Hawaii (as you mentioned above) was not an act of war. Bombing the harbor was.

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ORIGINAL: Tempist

Yes multinational wars are usually complex things started by many events that happen everywhere. But there was absolutely no reason as to why the fleet had to be stationed in Hawaii. It was as bad of a move as Napoleon having his fleet chained together. Lesser things have been done to start wars. The Gulf of Tonkin is one such incident that may be argued. The problems that keep cropping up in the Strait of Hormuz.

All and all the ships didn't need to be there, and they probably could have easily talked Japan down from perusing attacks in the Pacific.

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ORIGINAL: Solid_Snake

uhm, well, having ships in Hawaii was a strategy for the Americans.  Released papers show that there was a real threat of one day having American battleships targeted by German U-boats because of the notion that the US supported the English.. this was helped by the U-boats travelling across the Atlantic and stopping at Argentina.  If they can go there, they couldve certainly gone to American harbors.. second, why does it matter that they were in Hawaii.  At that time, Hawaii was a US territory, and they could put theyre ships where ever they want, how is that a provocation against Japan?  Second, there was many interests in the Phillippines, and Japan kept going spreading theyre empire all around them and taking of Phillipino territory; all throught that, the US did not attack Japan, but cut off oil from them and other diplomatic measures.. and then Japan attacked the US.. it seems to me, that the US only wanted to protect theyre interests, while Japan was only concerned of warmongering and taking over as much as they can, and then when they couldnt get what they wanted, they attacked

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ORIGINAL: FAT MAN GO BOOM

It was a needed thing... It is a horrible thing but those bombs needed to be dropped.. it saved a lot more lives than it destroyed!!!

It also prevent another World War one with Russia for decades...

I am just glad we are friends now working together and not against each other...