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RE: Valve...why all the hate? - May-6th-2008 9:21:41

sonarus

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That socomnick is the real answer. There is no need for them to act like they can't do it, they just don't want to due to personal prefrence, which is cool but no need to go hiding that prefrence. Once they start to say things like they don't want to learn the architecture that is laziness. All they need to say is, we hate the PS3's guts and we aren't developing for it. Gabe did it already so not much to hide anymore anyway

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RE: Valve...why all the hate? - May-6th-2008 9:42:44

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That socomnick is the real answer. There is no need for them to act like they can't do it, they just don't want to due to personal prefrence, which is cool but no need to go hiding that prefrence. Once they start to say things like they don't want to learn the architecture that is laziness. All they need to say is, we hate the PS3's guts and we aren't developing for it. Gabe did it already so not much to hide anymore anyway

You don't seem to understand it would be a complete waste of our time. You already know we prefer working with the PC and the 360 is as close as you can get without being one so we work with it aswell. The PlayStation 3 is radically different and learning to develop for it has little to no payoff at all. So it is lazyness to not want to learn to develop for something that is a hastle and gives nothing back? Then so be it I guess. You must try to understand it isn't worth the hastle. Imagine if you were us. Now replace Xbox 360 with Playstation 3. How would you feel then? It just seems to me you're just a fanboy on a mission of hate. Having no interest in something does not condone hate.

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RE: Valve...why all the hate? - May-6th-2008 9:46:07

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RE: Valve...why all the hate? - May-6th-2008 9:51:02

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Say what you want about gabe but he isnt lazy, I actually sent him an email one time to ask a question and he sent me an email back that very day, for the guy to be able to find time like that out of his schedule to answer the countless emails from fans he would get is pretty cool and not many people in the industry would do it

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RE: Valve...why all the hate? - May-6th-2008 9:51:17

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This is a retarded argument, Gabe has created one of the greatest engines ever in the Steam engine, an engine that is still used to this day. They created what is become universally the one place for all PC gamers, to buy, play, and connect for every game, they created the greatest FPS of ALL time, and they give up and commers the time and money to create great games.

No other company can sit there with that under their belt, Valve are AMAZING programmers, but they are PC developers first and foremost, so they are allowed to say how complicated something is, and how they don't want to bother learning it.

Oh and 5 years is not a long time in tech world, thats 1 count it 1 AAA game, and most PS3 owners would prob never buy it anyways.

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RE: Valve...why all the hate? - May-6th-2008 10:19:56

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Valve are also not that big, they only have about 100-150 developers at most and they are an independent company. They don't unlimited funds to spent on learning the PS3 because it is a very different machine. Time = money and Valve just does not have the manpower for that neither the time; plus they also keep on supporting all of their old games, tell me how many other developers still support their old games?

CS 1.6
CSS
DoD
DoDS (Update is in the works and should be coming out soon, remember Valve time though)
Half Life
Half Life 2

and the countless other games they have made, they are not talentless, they are a great bunch of developers who make great games for the masses to enjoy. If they don't develop for your favourite console then stop bitching about it, I would never buy any Valve game on the console knowing the fact that it would be gimped and not as good as the PC version.

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RE: Valve...why all the hate? - May-6th-2008 10:35:50

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Valve are also not that big, they only have about 100-150 developers at most and they are an indenpent company. They don't unlimited funds to spent on learning the PS3 because it is a very different machine. Time = money and Valve just does not have the manpower for that neither the time; plus they also keep on supporting all of their old games, tell me how many other developers still support their old games?

CS 1.6
CSS
DoD
DoDS (Update is in the works and should be coming out soon, remember Valve time though)
Half Life
Half Life 2

and the countless other games they have made, they are not talentless, they are a great bunch of developers who make great games for the masses to enjoy. If they don't develop for your favourite console then stop bitching about it, I would never buy any Valve game on the console knowing the fact that it would be gimped and not as good as the PC version.

PC version of Valve games will always be 10000 times better than any console version. plus i agree with you Zone 100% that Valve takes care of its consumers better than any other developer after you buy their products.

@ Sonarus

Valve said they arent going to release any ps3 games. so the only way for them not to be lazy in your eyes is spend the money and resourses to learn a to program for a platform they do not...within their business model...plan to release games for and ta daa! you are not lazy any more Valve! congratulations learning to program for the ps3...even though you are never releasing a game for it! you guys rock! yeah...makes perfect sense. ::rolleyes::

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RE: Valve...why all the hate? - May-6th-2008 10:41:06

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If wish more devs would be like Valve and admit they don't want to spend the resources to actually learn PS3 development instead of releasing half-assed shitty ports.

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RE: Valve...why all the hate? - May-6th-2008 18:49:01

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Say what you want about gabe but he isnt lazy, I actually sent him an email one time to ask a question and he sent me an email back that very day, for the guy to be able to find time like that out of his schedule to answer the countless emails from fans he would get is pretty cool and not many people in the industry would do it

Haha you were probably his only fan.

LOL @ gabe calling me a fanboy. Haha. He must not have anything better to do than reply to my random forum rants

Valve as a company is lazy. 2 games in a decade and not wanting to learn ps3 architecture. PS3 is catching up to 360 sales, you would think as a precautionary tactic, valve would at least look into ps3 development. But no its too hard so they create excuses. Call me a fanboy if you like but that doesn't change the fact that Gabe isn't talented and valve is lazy

@odion. Valve pays for other people's ideas. Portal, counter strike, none of that is theirs. All they have is half life. Half life 1 and half life 2 make 2 games in 1 decade. Steam is not a game engine. It doesn't have amazing graphics so as a game developer, still don't see talents

@zonetrooper, theu support their old games for so long because they are too lazy to make new ones. Valve gets unnecessary props imo. They are alright developers but they aren't better than epic or id or a bunch of the other old pc devs. Look at the new id engine, look at UT3. WTF does valve have. They are a relic and they are lazy as far as i am concerned

@solar. To be 100% honest with you, no valve game in existence interests me. If they developed a ps3 game, i probably won't buy it. The funny thing is at the end of the day, some random 3rd party will end up porting whatever game they have to the PS3. It will probably be low quality but valve won't care. Valve isn't even making left for dead on 360, they handed it off to someone else to port. How lazy can you get when you can't even develop for the Xbox360

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RE: Valve...why all the hate? - May-6th-2008 19:05:24

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Ok by bad, sorry its called Source, the source engine was amazing, and the fact that it still stands up to this proves that.

Also your forgetting about both episodes, TF2.

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RE: Valve...why all the hate? - May-6th-2008 19:09:09

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I really don't care that they won't make games for the ps3 cause i will just get them for the pc. But if they did make ps3 makes they will most likely make crappy ports and none of us will want that cause that will suck. But if they don't want to so be it they will be losing out if the ps3 does good this year. If not they made the right move.

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RE: Valve...why all the hate? - May-6th-2008 19:10:59

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i am countin the episodes as one game. Source engine is ok. What was the last game that ran on source engine and team fortress is not a technical achievement so not sure its a good showcase for the mighty source engine. Besides once again team fortress was not their idea. They bought it

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RE: Valve...why all the hate? - May-6th-2008 19:55:59

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ya the original TF wasn't made by Valve TF2 was, and TF2 looks amazing and is done on the source engine, that game looks like a Pixar movie.

Its like saying Bethesna shouldn't get credit for making what looks to be an AMAZING game in Fallout 3 because they bought the IP

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RE: Valve...why all the hate? - May-6th-2008 20:01:50

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Well i haven't seen TF2 but just because the character models resemble characters from the incredibles, doesn't make it look like a pixar movie. You are actually the first person i am hearing describe the graphics in such a manner.

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RE: Valve...why all the hate? - May-6th-2008 20:16:08

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well I own it, and I can tell you it looks like a Pixar movie, its amazing.

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RE: Valve...why all the hate? - May-6th-2008 20:17:29

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Yea Team Fortress 2 does look like a pixar movie. I already hjave the orange box on the xbox but I might buy a gaming pc to play tf 2 on the pc heard its better on there. I really respect Valve for being a small company they always deliver quality products. They have the best game of all time under their belt Half life 1 and Half life 2. I really am looking foward to left 4 dead it looks to be the ultimate co-op game.

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RE: Valve...why all the hate? - May-6th-2008 20:59:22

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ok. i guess i have to get nasty. are you fcking retarded Sonarus? seriously? are you fcking retarded? "we dont not have the resources to develop ps3 games...its not in our business plan". what does a company have to say for you to understand?

the hl1 engine and is what Valve developed and let users use to create mods for their community and they saw potential...and payed them to make/help develop the game to where you see it today. companies do that. they help...nuture...progress ideas to make money and to further thier company and games for all of us to play. Sony does it...MS does it...im sure Ninty did it.

im tired of your pure hatred. you dont like the games...which is easy for you to call them lazy and Gabe a piece of shit. stop replying...because your making yourself look more and more like an idiot fanboy and frankly...just a pure idiot. by the mere fact that because Valve keeps supporting their older games...which are still played by thousands of ppl today and tomorrow makes them "lazy"....shows me that you are...a complete fcking idiot. i tried to be civil...but your pure hatred is sickening.

Blizzard released WoW in Nov. 2004 and they still support the hell outta it...expansions...fixes...updates...lazy Blizzard. stop supporting a 4 year old game. ::rolleyes::

Valve doesnt release games every year because they put quality in there titles. numberous titles. but you dont care. you'd rather throw FUD at them because you dont like their games.

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RE: Valve...why all the hate? - May-6th-2008 20:59:30

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sigh. Valve is over rated and lazy and gabe newel lacks talent.

TF2 visually isn't pixar but for the sake of argument, lets say it is, i haven't played it personally so i don't want to judge the game but considering the gaming community ins't chatty about it, i have to guess the game is B+ at best.

Bottom line is valve is lazy, they are too lazy to learn ps3 architecture, and they are too lazy to handle a 360 port of left for dead, despite the fact that pc and 360 architecture are supposedly so similar

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RE: Valve...why all the hate? - May-6th-2008 21:07:32

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Yea Team Fortress 2 does look like a pixar movie. I already hjave the orange box on the xbox but I might buy a gaming pc to play tf 2 on the pc heard its better on there. I really respect Valve for being a small company they always deliver quality products. They have the best game of all time under their belt Half life 1 and Half life 2. I really am looking foward to left 4 dead it looks to be the ultimate co-op game.

if you get TF:2 for PC hit me up here. me and Dr. Pirate just added each other as friends and we had a great time playing the other night. hope to see ya soon :D

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RE: Valve...why all the hate? - May-7th-2008 8:52:29

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Say what you want about gabe but he isnt lazy, I actually sent him an email one time to ask a question and he sent me an email back that very day, for the guy to be able to find time like that out of his schedule to answer the countless emails from fans he would get is pretty cool and not many people in the industry would do it

Haha you were probably his only fan.

LOL @ gabe calling me a fanboy. Haha. He must not have anything better to do than reply to my random forum rants

Valve as a company is lazy. 2 games in a decade and not wanting to learn ps3 architecture. PS3 is catching up to 360 sales, you would think as a precautionary tactic, valve would at least look into ps3 development. But no its too hard so they create excuses. Call me a fanboy if you like but that doesn't change the fact that Gabe isn't talented and valve is lazy

@odion. Valve pays for other people's ideas. Portal, counter strike, none of that is theirs. All they have is half life. Half life 1 and half life 2 make 2 games in 1 decade. Steam is not a game engine. It doesn't have amazing graphics so as a game developer, still don't see talents

@zonetrooper, theu support their old games for so long because they are too lazy to make new ones. Valve gets unnecessary props imo. They are alright developers but they aren't better than epic or id or a bunch of the other old pc devs. Look at the new id engine, look at UT3. WTF does valve have. They are a relic and they are lazy as far as i am concerned

@solar. To be 100% honest with you, no valve game in existence interests me. If they developed a ps3 game, i probably won't buy it. The funny thing is at the end of the day, some random 3rd party will end up porting whatever game they have to the PS3. It will probably be low quality but valve won't care. Valve isn't even making left for dead on 360, they handed it off to someone else to port. How lazy can you get when you can't even develop for the Xbox360

While I love Gears of War IP, Epic has just made the same UT game so many times that its boring. UT3 was just UT2K4 with better graphics and thats it. Don't see how its lazy to keep on supporting all their old games for free, they made new maps for CSS even when it was getting older and that applies to CS 1.6. Steam is free to use and provides you with many games to buy or try out if needed be.

Valve has released many games in the last few years, many studios will buy the mod and the devs if they think its good enough. Valve promote mods on the weekly update every now and then and for the most part they still support mods and help out the devs of mods.

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