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RE: Digital Vs. Disk - May-8th-2008 10:23:52

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I don't understand why people refuse to believe that movies will never be taken over by the digital world

It's been done with CDs and mail (both I doubt will ever die, but forever be dying).

I'm a 360 fan...this isn't an attack I'm blu ray I'm looking past that. Is that why people are having such a hard time?

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RE: Digital Vs. Disk - May-8th-2008 10:41:38

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quote:

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I don't understand why people refuse to believe that movies will never be taken over by the digital world

It's been done with CDs and mail (both I doubt will ever die, but forever be dying).

I'm a 360 fan...this isn't an attack I'm blu ray I'm looking past that. Is that why people are having such a hard time?

That's a logically incoherent summary of what's happening with CD's (the bolded part).

Anyway, what I'm saying is that there is no direct competition between physical media and digital media, just the companies supplying the services. The two forms of media co-exist, we can never do without both of them available.

Btw, I'm not a Blu-Ray fan, I only own Casino Royale, which I got for free.

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RE: Digital Vs. Disk - May-8th-2008 10:54:35

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quote:

ORIGINAL: toughNAME

I don't understand why people refuse to believe that movies will never be taken over by the digital world

It's been done with CDs and mail (both I doubt will ever die, but forever be dying).

I'm a 360 fan...this isn't an attack I'm blu ray I'm looking past that. Is that why people are having such a hard time?

i, personally, am not speaking about blu-ray. i'm speaking about physical storage media over direct download for games and movies.
both will co-exist and both will be options for the consumer. one will not replace the other.
there will be a new types of physical media to replace discs/drives and downloads will become more popular once the entire world has better broadband and hdd storage capacities or better encoding formats. but it will an option and not replacement.

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RE: Digital Vs. Disk - May-8th-2008 10:59:52

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I think right now...and at least for the next 10 years DD for movies won't be competing against anyone. **

But DD will become more and more popular and eventually become the norm (see previous examples).

With our society the way it is and assuming the trend will continue we will always be aiming for the easier alternative. Think about the money it takes to make the disc, and the work it takes to package it up in an oversized box, and then think about having to ship it to stores. The cost of the truck/plane/boat and the employee driving it, and of course the price for gas.

Versus...uploading, one click purchasing, downloading, and playing

I am under the impression that this is common sense, clearly I am wrong... but no legitimate argument has been provided to counter mine.

Seriously though I am done with this thread. Feel free to keep arguing but there is nothing more for me to say.

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RE: Digital Vs. Disk - May-8th-2008 11:07:19

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quote:

ORIGINAL: toughNAME

I think right now...and at least for the next 10 years DD for movies won't be competing against anyone.

But DD will become more and more popular and eventually become the norm (see previous examples).

With our society the way it is and assuming the trend will continue we will always be aiming for the easier alternative. Think about the money it takes to make the disc, and the work it takes to package it up in an oversized box, and then think about having to ship it to stores. The cost of the truck/plane/boat and the employee driving it, and of course the price for gas.

Versus...uploading, one click purchasing, downloading, and playing

I am under the impression that this is common sense, clearly I am wrong... but no legitimate argument has been provided to counter mine.

Seriously though I am done with this thread. Feel free to keep arguing but there is nothing more for me to say.

i agree with the convenience and production costs and that DD will become more and more popular as the years go by, but i stand firm that it will never be a replacement for a physical copy. there will always be a physical copy for people who are fans of the said movie or game and would want to have something nice to showcase and collect. even today, people buy cd's for their favorite bands or artists. it goes beyond convenience or production/distribution costs.

i'm not saying DD will be overshadowed by physical media or that it will not (eventually) become more popular. it will be a very viable option for many people later down the road but it will never replace physical media.

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RE: Digital Vs. Disk - May-8th-2008 11:16:35

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quote:

ORIGINAL: toughNAME

I think right now...and at least for the next 10 years DD for movies won't be competing against anyone.

But DD will become more and more popular and eventually become the norm (see previous examples).

With our society the way it is and assuming the trend will continue we will always be aiming for the easier alternative. Think about the money it takes to make the disc, and the work it takes to package it up in an oversized box, and then think about having to ship it to stores. The cost of the truck/plane/boat and the employee driving it, and of course the price for gas.

Versus...uploading, one click purchasing, downloading, and playing

I am under the impression that this is common sense, clearly I am wrong... but no legitimate argument has been provided to counter mine.

Seriously though I am done with this thread. Feel free to keep arguing but there is nothing more for me to say.

ToughName, you forget that there's an entire economy revolving around physical media. If you were to lay-off everyone involved in the process, then no one would be able to buy digital downloads. Not to mention that not everyone will be able to afford the costs required for digital downloads. You need the internet, a decent tv, the digital download machine.

After that, you need to digitally package the files, massive dedicated internet servers and storage for all the movies, techs to run it... Those in some ways are higher costs than physical mediums.

I personally, don't want to have to spend a day to download a movie, which I can pick up on my way home.

Also you neglect to factor in that people had different internet plans and have download limits on speed and total data.

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RE: Digital Vs. Disk - May-8th-2008 11:38:14

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Anyone who thinks that digital distribution is the end all be all method is freaking retarded. Physical media isnt going anywhere, just like i can still go to a record store and pick up a cd or even a vinyl. Like Tempist said, there is an economny surrounded by physical media. Maybe companies would like to go that route, because its a helluva lot cheaper for them, but the economy wont allow it. At least not until there are terminators and we are all doomed anyways.

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RE: Digital Vs. Disk - May-8th-2008 12:55:20

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To be honest, don't Sony have a better chance of taking advantage of DDL in the future anyway? I mean, Sony's hardware just outright owns Microsoft's over and over.

well not as much as people like to think. The two machines are pretty similiar. They are closer spec wise than any other two consoles ever. I actually still think the xbox 360 is capable of more graphicaly than the ps3 because the video card is so much better. Im just happy both are starting to bloom and show what they are really made of.

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RE: Digital Vs. Disk - May-8th-2008 13:31:56

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There's a lot to read here, and I'll admit, I haven't read it all

but I'd like to bring up the point that Bittorrent, the company, is starting to partner with router companies and digital media outlets. One of their on site ads even shows a flat screen with their logo. Maybe it's just ambition, but I don't think it's too far fetched.
I'm not saying that physical media will ever go away, there's no doubt that the technophobes and those that just like the feel of their discs will continue to have their place, but the profit companies make off of DD is at least, if not more 3x than selling a box and DVD. This will certainly drive sales to DD more than to the shelf, cutting out the middle man is what it's all about. Netflicks has already started a DD type renting system of their own. I think it will be the most prevelent form of entertainment in 4 to 5 years. The major limiting factor until now, in my mind is the bandwidth that the common person could muster, that number is only going up, and so will this phenomenon's popularity.

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RE: Digital Vs. Disk - May-8th-2008 16:03:44

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quote:

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well not as much as people like to think. The two machines are pretty similiar. They are closer spec wise than any other two consoles ever. I actually still think the xbox 360 is capable of more graphicaly than the ps3 because the video card is so much better. Im just happy both are starting to bloom and show what they are really made of.

I wasn't talking about the 360 and PS3, I was talking about hardware for anything computer-related (especially PCs), which is going to be more of a deciding factor in the speed at which DD takes off, far more than the current-gen consoles are.

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