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RE: Human Cloning - Jun.-5th-2008 10:00:53

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Tempist, i respect you and i think that your a cool dude. I was not trying to atack you, but I was just trying to show you another perspective.

You see when I became a young adult. I turned my back on my Christian up-bringing. I would think to myself, "how can there be a God and so much pain in the world". I thought that evolution was the answer to life, I belived in no God. I would watch as people would go to church and think to myself "look at all those people going to the church of lies." Stupid people!!!

I was cleaning carpet in an office building, when I be-friended an employee that worked there. He had went to school for Chemiesty and he was a Christian. I thought that made no since, but we would have deep conversiations for hours almost everyday. We lost many hours of work but I felt my mind expanding and we were feeding off of the conversation, that had to do with God and Science not as adversarys but as the same thing.

I later gave my life back to God and you know for the first time in my life i felt truly felt like a christian, because it was I that accepted him on my own accord. You see all things happen for a reason!!!

Im not a perfect person. I still like to do worldly things, but I also know about the energy that powers my heart. I know about power that keeps me in this life as a phyical person with free thought. I also know where the power of art and creativity comes from. All from God... He created us in his own image, therefore we create art and free thought, because creativity is a God trait!!!!

So have a nice day Tempist, sorry if I seemed to hard on yah, Keep cool and Take Care

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RE: Human Cloning - Jun.-5th-2008 10:03:38

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uh oh this thread is going to go way of topic.

ANYWAYS human cloning probably is not worth doing well for the good of humanity at least. However if we can clone human organs like hearts or livers etc, that would be worth doing. Though you could clone people and rip thier organs out and give them to real people who need them but that would be inclonane(like inhumane but for clones! i made a word!!) So jsut clone organs then!

It's being looked into cloning human organs inside animals like Pigs to support those organs until they're needed. I believe mice support smaller things like ears and fingers.

Even without cloning, apparently they have the ability to store fingers with some powder.

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RE: Human Cloning - Jun.-5th-2008 10:05:32

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uh oh this thread is going to go way of topic.

ANYWAYS human cloning probably is not worth doing well for the good of humanity at least. However if we can clone human organs like hearts or livers etc, that would be worth doing. Though you could clone people and rip thier organs out and give them to real people who need them but that would be inclonane(like inhumane but for clones! i made a word!!) So jsut clone organs then!

It's being looked into cloning human organs inside animals like Pigs to support those organs until they're needed. I believe mice support smaller things like ears and fingers.

Even without cloning, apparently they have the ability to store fingers with some powder.

yeah i heard something about them being able to regenerate a finger.

ther goes my idea

but hey i came up with a new word! Inclonane!

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RE: Human Cloning - Jun.-5th-2008 10:06:25

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If there is a god (no disrespect Gambus) I'd say it's about time for another 40 days and nights of rain. The human race has dragged itself so far through the primordial refuse that a fresh start seems like a damn good idea at this point. Either way human cloning is a terrible idea, there's already too many people occupying the Earth, however cloning body parts for medical use would be pretty sweet!

What'd you say???

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RE: Human Cloning - Jun.-5th-2008 10:07:56

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I just think people who call others ignorant for believing in an all-superior deity, are ignorant themselves, by an even greater margin than those they criticise. If there was an all-knowing, all-seeing God who created us, what makes you think said God would manifest themselves in a form within our understanding? One would have thought, if this being was superior, and was the very thing that created us, it would exist beyond the level of our comprehension.

I myself don't believe in God, I'm just not a very religious person.
The great Albert Einstein believed in a God, and I can assure you, there are few men who can honestly claim to be superior in terms of intellect to that man.

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RE: Human Cloning - Jun.-5th-2008 10:18:15

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The only difference between religion and science is that science is government funded. They both deal with beliefs.

Anywho, cloning can be used for good if the meat from cloned animals is indeed edible. That could stop a good chunk of starving nations. Would it be used for that? Doubtful for everyone wants to make a dollar and giving doesn't really make you money

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RE: Human Cloning - Jun.-5th-2008 10:19:08

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If there is a god (no disrespect Gambus) I'd say it's about time for another 40 days and nights of rain. The human race has dragged itself so far through the primordial refuse that a fresh start seems like a damn good idea at this point. Either way human cloning is a terrible idea, there's already too many people occupying the Earth, however cloning body parts for medical use would be pretty sweet!

What'd you say???

Oh so there's too many people to start cloning... but not enough common sense to use a condom or contraceptive.

That's what really gets me about this argument coming from people who heavily refute safe sex, contraceptive practices. And i'd like to remind most people that the western world is supposidly not have enough babies to even keep the population going at it's current level. It's the eastern world that's heavily over populated. We've all heard of the extremes that the Chinese government has taken.

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RE: Human Cloning - Jun.-5th-2008 10:23:02

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China isn't helping that cause either with there only one baby per couple. You need 2 to replace yourselves and 1 more to add to the population.

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RE: Human Cloning - Jun.-5th-2008 10:37:56

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http://www.vhemt.org/

Yeah, that pretty much sums up how i feel about the subject... lol

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RE: Human Cloning - Jun.-5th-2008 10:39:23

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http://www.vhemt.org/

Yeah, that pretty much sums up how i feel about the subject...

At this point, that would probably do more harm than good.

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RE: Human Cloning - Jun.-5th-2008 10:43:07

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"Aren't the wrong kind of people making babies these days?"

Seconded.

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RE: Human Cloning - Jun.-5th-2008 10:45:02

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How so? Are you saying that without the human race gracing the Earth's surface it would shrivel up and die because we wouldn't be around with our un-restricted intellect and massive knowledge to fix it? *sense sarcasm now* (by "it" I mean global warming etc I assume that's what you're talking about)

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RE: Human Cloning - Jun.-5th-2008 10:48:30

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"Aren't the wrong kind of people making babies these days?"

Seconded.

That's disgusting.

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RE: Human Cloning - Jun.-5th-2008 10:53:17

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Yeah, that statement's a little vague. For example, this man should not breed...Or be cloned...or anything...at all.

LOL

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RE: Human Cloning - Jun.-5th-2008 10:54:31

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How so? Are you saying that without the human race gracing the Earth's surface it would shrivel up and die because we wouldn't be around with our un-restricted intellect and massive knowledge to fix it? *sense sarcasm now* (by "it" I mean global warming etc I assume that's what you're talking about)

In some ways, yes.

Cows aren't going to revert to their wild origins. They've been domesticated for so long now that they do not have a good chance surviving in the wild.

There is also a lot of land that's kept from eroding or destruction via human intervention as well. Were it not for what has been done to Niagra falls, it would literally not be where it is today. It is unfortunate that a dependence has been created via human intervention, but just up and leaving won't correct a situation like that.

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RE: Human Cloning - Jun.-5th-2008 10:59:18

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Why did we "save" niagra Falls again? Oh that's right because it's pretty to look at and it makes certain people a-lot of money when people come to see it. That's just fighting nature, not helping it in any way. On the cow thing..... are you serious? really serious? You see, animals and most living things (excluding the gentleman pictured above) have a sense of self preservation. Which means they're not stupid enough to stand in one spot until they die of starvation. Although I'd agree that not all would immediately thrive in the wild they would survive, and in time, thrive.

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RE: Human Cloning - Jun.-5th-2008 11:38:09

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That's disgusting.

How so? As far as I can see, that's a factually correct statement.

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RE: Human Cloning - Jun.-5th-2008 11:43:10

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That's disgusting.

How so? As far as I can see, that's a factually correct statement.

That's the saddest part. It has become a ho-hum argument for the "okay-ness" of encouraging people not to have children. I think it's shameful that some of us think it just fine and dandy to decide who should and shouldn't procreate, and if people can't see how close that is to oh, say, Nazi Germany then they need to do a lot of thinking.

It is so very much not our place to make those calls, though i suppose that's the point of this entire thread: things that we should not be doing.

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RE: Human Cloning - Jun.-5th-2008 11:52:14

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I wasn't being serious, by the way.

How can it be a factually correct statement, it's opinion.

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