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RE: Call of Duty 5 - Jun.-9th-2008 14:36:00   
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Anyone that says COD3 > COD2 should be shot.

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RE: Call of Duty 5 - Jun.-9th-2008 14:45:51   
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CoD3 was a travesty single player wise, and multiplayer was completely broken.  It was almost impossible to get good at that game online... you'd still always die unless you camped.

I have no faith for CoD5... and agreed, anyone who thinks 3 is better than 2 doesn't deserve a gaming console.  I still believe CoD2 to be the best.  Yes that's right, I still hold it above CoD4... mainly because I love WW2 games.

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RE: Call of Duty 5 - Jun.-9th-2008 14:52:58   
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Developers should just realize that PS3/360 games should be completely seperated from Wii ones. Even EA understood this and released different versions of MOH for these (Airbourne for PS360, Heroes for Wii) and their big games like Dead Space are either PS3/360 exclusive or Wii exclusive (Boom Blox). So for my huge rant but I just hate when they announce a game for "everthing"


this is true...they even have to make a special version of their sports titles

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RE: Call of Duty 5 - Jun.-9th-2008 15:02:52   
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I'm actually just about done with military-themed first person shooters altogether. If you've played one, you might as well have played them all. And at £50 a pop, devs better jack up the innovation and originality factor, because I am not paying that amount for games with so little to set them apart from the crowd.

Innovation and originality are the order of the day, and after MGS4, it's LittleBigPlanet, all the way. If LBP actually turns out to be GOTY, I will cream my pants in sheer happiness, because there'll be hope for the games industry yet.

Of course, it won't happen, and Carnival Games 2 will instead break sales records

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RE: Call of Duty 5 - Jun.-9th-2008 15:10:04   
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I'm actually just about done with military-themed first person shooters altogether. If you've played one, you might as well have played them all. And at £50 a pop, devs better jack up the innovation and originality factor, because I am not paying that amount for games with so little to set them apart from the crowd.

Innovation and originality are the order of the day, and after MGS4, it's LittleBigPlanet, all the way. If LBP actually turns out to be GOTY, I will cream my pants in sheer happiness, because there'll be hope for the games industry yet.

Of course, it won't happen, and Carnival Games 2 will instead break sales records


does that count the non-military shooters...like Resistance/Killzone?  But yea i agree, FPS games shouldnt win GOTY...they all seem to get overhyped into being good games...same goes for GTA4

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RE: Call of Duty 5 - Jun.-9th-2008 15:16:18   
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does that count the non-military shooters...like Resistance/Killzone?  But yea i agree, FPS games shouldnt win GOTY...they all seem to get overhyped into being good games...same goes for GTA4


No, since Killzone and Resistance both revolve around aliens and alternate realities, they don't necessarily count. Although, Killzone 2 isn't really exciting me all that much, it just looks like another FPS to me (albeit a gorgeous one). Resistance 2, considering how good the first one was for Insomniac's first attempt, and their pristeen track record, looks to be very, very promising. The fact that they've gone out of their way to cater extensively for the lone players and multiplayers (with 2 campaigns) is a refreshing change from the FPS games with 4-hour campaign modes and tacked-on online multiplayer modes.

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RE: Call of Duty 5 - Jun.-9th-2008 15:19:20   
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Why can't they make a WWI or Civil War FPS? It would be quite easy and fun too.

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RE: Call of Duty 5 - Jun.-9th-2008 15:22:49   
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Why can't they make a WWI or Civil War FPS? It would be quite easy and fun too.


A Civil War FPS would be extremely boring, it would only work as an RTS. But, we already have those. As for WW1, I suppose that would be pretty boring too, seeing as the majority of that war was fought through stalemate trench warfare.

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RE: Call of Duty 5 - Jun.-9th-2008 15:26:38   
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A Civil War FPS would be extremely boring, it would only work as an RTS. But, we already have those. As for WW1, I suppose that would be pretty boring too, seeing as the majority of that war was fought through stalemate trench warfare.


It's only boring until you try it.

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RE: Call of Duty 5 - Jun.-9th-2008 15:59:50   
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It's only boring until you try it.


Well, I think I can pretty much imagine it. But, I won't be unhappy if a dev actually tries it. I'd be more than willing to try it out.

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RE: Call of Duty 5 - Jun.-9th-2008 16:45:48   
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Definitly agreed that military shooters are now beyond boring but the sad truth is that they sell. Army of Two sold more than 300k copies at launch. More than what Zack & Wiki, NMH and Boom Blox at their launches.
Heck, even Haze is selling a lot and it was hammered by critics and also the gamers that had tried the demo.

Today's sales rule:
- PC: Either make an MMO or make an expansion pack for the Sims.

- PS3 / 360: Make a military shooter and make it as close to Halo and Gears of War as possible.

- Wii: Make a mini-game collection without using any brain or talent. (Because stupid and worse ones like Carnival Games outsell decent ones like Rayman Raving Rabbids 2)

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Innovation and originality are the order of the day, and after MGS4, it's LittleBigPlanet, all the way. If LBP actually turns out to be GOTY, I will cream my pants in sheer happiness, because there'll be hope for the games industry yet.

Of course, it won't happen, and Carnival Games 2 will instead break sales records

I'm pretty sure they won't give GOTY to LBP even though it deserves it. I just have lost all hope

lol at Carnival Games 2. Funny yet sad and true.

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Why can't they make a WWI or Civil War FPS? It would be quite easy and fun too.

Well, NecroVision is the FPS that's set during the events of WW1
(Though the game has vampires, aliens and zombies... not exactly historical enemies )

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RE: Call of Duty 5 - Jun.-9th-2008 17:06:35   
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Too true, MK.
I mean, the Wii is beyond help now, apart from in regards to Nintendo's first-party titles (although they're just the same old, and severely lacking in any original ideas either) and the fact that people still consider the Wii "true innovation" makes my side hurt. Not because I'm laughing though, oh no, it's because I'm crying.

The wrong games are getting all the attention nowadays, and it's sad. After this generation, I might just go retro, quit modern gaming altogether. Unless it takes a seriously drastic turn in the right direction.

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RE: Call of Duty 5 - Jun.-9th-2008 17:40:43   
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Sorry but Modern Warfare set the standard. I do not feel like traveling back to the WWII era. Enough is enough, please.

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RE: Call of Duty 5 - Jun.-9th-2008 17:47:39   
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as a huge WW2 junkie I can't wait for COD5, especially to hit the pacific theatre thats never been done properly (MOHPA tried, but its MOH)
As for someone not being inot the whole WW2 thing and with the huge sucess of modern Warfare, I don't see how COD5 would even be on their radar. But I'm gonna love it

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RE: Call of Duty 5 - Jun.-9th-2008 17:50:49   
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Too true, MK.
I mean, the Wii is beyond help now, apart from in regards to Nintendo's first-party titles (although they're just the same old, and severely lacking in any original ideas either) and the fact that people still consider the Wii "true innovation" makes my side hurt. Not because I'm laughing though, oh no, it's because I'm crying.

The wrong games are getting all the attention nowadays, and it's sad. After this generation, I might just go retro, quit modern gaming altogether. Unless it takes a seriously drastic turn in the right direction.


I can't say anything more. You said a million times better than I could have ever hoped to say. Wii is indeed no true innovation. It's laziness. Wii Sports and other Wii games could have been made for PC which uses mouse as the motion control thingy and Nintendo hasn't made a new thing in more than 20 years. I still laugh at Yahtzee's joke comparing Nintendo to a guitarist who only knows 4 songs (Zelda, Mario, Metroid and something I don't remember).

And it is indeed the wrong games that are getting all the attention. Still, I won't go fully retro because there are still good games out there even though majority is headed towards the wrong direction, as long as people like Kojima and Schafer are making games I'm with mainstream. So far 2 of our heroes have fallen. Miyamoto fell after uber awesome Mario 64 and is now a puppet of Nintendo promoting Wii Fit. And David Jaffe is focused on little games like Calling All Cars (And unless I see the true sequel to Twisted Metal Black on PS3, won't consider him back).

The deep shooters are gone. Ghost Recon and Rainbow Six were once complex and deep tactical games while nowadays (GRAWs and Vegases) they are arcade shooters that happen to have team-mates / co-op. Everything has become a fad. Co-op fad, military shooter fad, casual fad, motion sensetive fad, games for everything fad...
And games are just being more and more watered down. I bet in less than 5 years, Oblivion and BioShock (Watered down versions of Morrowind and System Shock 2) will become the most hardcore games and a thing of the past. TES6 will be an MMO copying WoW and Obliv. BioShock 3 from Take Two will come for all platforms from PSP, DS and Wii 2 to PS2, PS3, PS4 and X720. All games will be rated T for Teen (MK has gone from M to T, COD4 to COD5 the same story.)
Heck, it's not just the games. Terminator, a once proud R rated series is now PG-13 in T4. The hard R Die Hard became PG-13 withe Live Free and Die Hard (DH4). The made a crappy PG-13 remake of an R rated slasher known as Prom Night. And now, Beverly Hills Cop 4 will be PG! From R of original 3 to PG!!!

But they are right. They want money. Not art. The PG rated Fantastic Four 2 movie sold millions. PG-13 Die Hard 4 became the best selling in series... in games, we have a M rated and hyped No More Heroes that bombed while the E rated Carnival Games with no hype sold millions.
And with Nintendo's take on games as a pure art form and Zelda Twilight Princess literally saying that games are meant for just fun and not art, soon even BioShocks will become a thing of the past in the market crowded with WOWs, The Sims and Wii "Something"s plus Military Shooters and Music games. All rated E for Everyone, coming out for every system known to man except PSP which some say is dying.

Sorry for the long post / rant

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RE: Call of Duty 5 - Jun.-9th-2008 17:55:51   
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Everything has become a fad. Co-op fad, military shooter fad, casual fad, motion sensetive fad, games for everything fad...
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Too true, MK.
I mean, the Wii is beyond help now, apart from in regards to Nintendo's first-party titles (although they're just the same old, and severely lacking in any original ideas either) and the fact that people still consider the Wii "true innovation" makes my side hurt. Not because I'm laughing though, oh no, it's because I'm crying.

The wrong games are getting all the attention nowadays, and it's sad. After this generation, I might just go retro, quit modern gaming altogether. Unless it takes a seriously drastic turn in the right direction.


I can't say anything more. You said a million times better than I could have ever hoped to say. Wii is indeed no true innovation. It's laziness. Wii Sports and other Wii games could have been made for PC which uses mouse as the motion control thingy and Nintendo hasn't made a new thing in more than 20 years. I still laugh at Yahtzee's joke comparing Nintendo to a guitarist who only knows 4 songs (Zelda, Mario, Metroid and something I don't remember).

And it is indeed the wrong games that are getting all the attention. Still, I won't go fully retro because there are still good games out there even though majority is headed towards the wrong direction, as long as people like Kojima and Schafer are making games I'm with mainstream. So far 2 of our heroes have fallen. Miyamoto fell after uber awesome Mario 64 and is now a puppet of Nintendo promoting Wii Fit. And David Jaffe is focused on little games like Calling All Cars (And unless I see the true sequel to Twisted Metal Black on PS3, won't consider him back).

The deep shooters are gone. Ghost Recon and Rainbow Six were once complex and deep tactical games while nowadays (GRAWs and Vegases) they are arcade shooters that happen to have team-mates / co-op. Everything has become a fad. Co-op fad, military shooter fad, casual fad, motion sensetive fad, games for everything fad...
And games are just being more and more watered down. I bet in less than 5 years, Oblivion and BioShock (Watered down versions of Morrowind and System Shock 2) will become the most hardcore games and a thing of the past. TES6 will be an MMO copying WoW and Obliv. BioShock 3 from Take Two will come for all platforms from PSP, DS and Wii 2 to PS2, PS3, PS4 and X720. All games will be rated T for Teen (MK has gone from M to T, COD4 to COD5 the same story.)
Heck, it's not just the games. Terminator, a once proud R rated series is now PG-13 in T4. The hard R Die Hard became PG-13 withe Live Free and Die Hard (DH4). The made a crappy PG-13 remake of an R rated slasher known as Prom Night. And now, Beverly Hills Cop 4 will be PG! From R of original 3 to PG!!!

But they are right. They want money. Not art. The PG rated Fantastic Four 2 movie sold millions. PG-13 Die Hard 4 became the best selling in series... in games, we have a M rated and hyped No More Heroes that bombed while the E rated Carnival Games with no hype sold millions.
And with Nintendo's take on games as a pure art form and Zelda Twilight Princess literally saying that games are meant for just fun and not art, soon even BioShocks will become a thing of the past in the market crowded with WOWs, The Sims and Wii "Something"s plus Military Shooters and Music games. All rated E for Everyone, coming out for every system known to man except PSP which some say is dying.

Sorry for the long post / rant



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RE: Call of Duty 5 - Jun.-9th-2008 20:43:51   
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Why can't they make a WWI or Civil War FPS? It would be quite easy and fun too.


Don't they have a cival war MMOFPS?

Anyways, I would think a realistic civil war FPS would be hard and boring.  ALl the guns would have to be extremely innacurate, and forget about different classes.  Everyone would have to wait until you see "the whites of their eyes" to start shooting, otherwise you'd just be hoping for the game to go in your favor.  That game definately wouldn't have a sniper class.  WWI is just as iffy.

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RE: Call of Duty 5 - Jun.-10th-2008 4:32:33   
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I can't say anything more. You said a million times better than I could have ever hoped to say. Wii is indeed no true innovation. It's laziness. Wii Sports and other Wii games could have been made for PC which uses mouse as the motion control thingy and Nintendo hasn't made a new thing in more than 20 years. I still laugh at Yahtzee's joke comparing Nintendo to a guitarist who only knows 4 songs (Zelda, Mario, Metroid and something I don't remember).

And it is indeed the wrong games that are getting all the attention. Still, I won't go fully retro because there are still good games out there even though majority is headed towards the wrong direction, as long as people like Kojima and Schafer are making games I'm with mainstream. So far 2 of our heroes have fallen. Miyamoto fell after uber awesome Mario 64 and is now a puppet of Nintendo promoting Wii Fit. And David Jaffe is focused on little games like Calling All Cars (And unless I see the true sequel to Twisted Metal Black on PS3, won't consider him back).

The deep shooters are gone. Ghost Recon and Rainbow Six were once complex and deep tactical games while nowadays (GRAWs and Vegases) they are arcade shooters that happen to have team-mates / co-op. Everything has become a fad. Co-op fad, military shooter fad, casual fad, motion sensetive fad, games for everything fad...
And games are just being more and more watered down. I bet in less than 5 years, Oblivion and BioShock (Watered down versions of Morrowind and System Shock 2) will become the most hardcore games and a thing of the past. TES6 will be an MMO copying WoW and Obliv. BioShock 3 from Take Two will come for all platforms from PSP, DS and Wii 2 to PS2, PS3, PS4 and X720. All games will be rated T for Teen (MK has gone from M to T, COD4 to COD5 the same story.)
Heck, it's not just the games. Terminator, a once proud R rated series is now PG-13 in T4. The hard R Die Hard became PG-13 withe Live Free and Die Hard (DH4). The made a crappy PG-13 remake of an R rated slasher known as Prom Night. And now, Beverly Hills Cop 4 will be PG! From R of original 3 to PG!!!

But they are right. They want money. Not art. The PG rated Fantastic Four 2 movie sold millions. PG-13 Die Hard 4 became the best selling in series... in games, we have a M rated and hyped No More Heroes that bombed while the E rated Carnival Games with no hype sold millions.
And with Nintendo's take on games as a pure art form and Zelda Twilight Princess literally saying that games are meant for just fun and not art, soon even BioShocks will become a thing of the past in the market crowded with WOWs, The Sims and Wii "Something"s plus Military Shooters and Music games. All rated E for Everyone, coming out for every system known to man except PSP which some say is dying.

Sorry for the long post / rant


You are absolutely, 100% correct. I don't think I could have said it better if I tried. That is why, as a whole, I am starting to lose my patience with the gaming industry. There's no real credit system on the forums, so I'll hunt down one of your comments and give you a bubble

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RE: Call of Duty 5 - Jun.-10th-2008 6:48:17   
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We love your long posts. All you say is correct.

I would like to point out the EyeToy on PS2 for Motion Sensor.

Thanks my friend . Good call.

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You are absolutely, 100% correct. I don't think I could have said it better if I tried. That is why, as a whole, I am starting to lose my patience with the gaming industry. There's no real credit system on the forums, so I'll hunt down one of your comments and give you a bubble

OMG, many many thanks. But you deserve much more bubbles

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RE: Call of Duty 5 - Jun.-10th-2008 16:19:58   
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Atleast the world will be quite destructable.

WW2 fails mostly because the weapons are more boring than modern day weapons.

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