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RE: Bush clueless about $4 gas prices! - Jun.-11th-2008 9:05:39

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Seriously,isn't this media manipulation?

HARRY IS RIGHT! The news media wants everyone to pay boat loads in gas!

You are being unnecessarily confrontational.Do you
really want this thread to get locked or is it that you simply
fail to understand that dignified silence and tact can be very
helpful sometimes.We don't play in the same league and i was being
context-sensitive.Read in between the lines first and don't overestimate
your intelligence.

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RE: Bush clueless about $4 gas prices! - Jun.-11th-2008 9:06:31

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Seriously,isn't this media manipulation?

yes... and there's really not much the president can do. people just love to blame whoever is holding the office at the time.

it's wrong, it's sad, and it's f'd up that the president doesnt get the respect they deserve... whoever that person may be. i'd like to see all the haters and hypocrites try running a nation, i guarantee they'd fall flat on their face within a day or two.

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RE: Bush clueless about $4 gas prices! - Jun.-11th-2008 9:12:47

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Seriously,isn't this media manipulation?

yes... and there's really not much the president can do. people just love to blame whoever is holding the office at the time.

it's wrong, it's sad, and it's f'd up that the president doesnt get the respect they deserve... whoever that person may be. i'd like to see all the haters and hypocrites try running a nation, i guarantee they'd fall flat on their face within a day or two.

Um... as I've come to believe it, there's huge thing called the strategic petrolium reserve, and instead of putting expensive oil into it, they are suppose to be putting it into the market to keep prices from rising to much. Also, the US economy has been set to allow for speculation that is what's at the root of allowing prices to rise.

In the end, there are going to be a lot of factors in why oil and gas prices have been going up, but the source most likely will be something that was signed back in 2002–2003.

And you know what duke, I could probably run a nation infinitely better than you could. And I would gladly debate you on that.

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RE: Bush clueless about $4 gas prices! - Jun.-11th-2008 9:18:09

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I dont debate with people who think they know something when they really dont.

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RE: Bush clueless about $4 gas prices! - Jun.-11th-2008 9:19:28

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Seriously,isn't this media manipulation?

only CNN

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RE: Bush clueless about $4 gas prices! - Jun.-11th-2008 9:35:22

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The President has a lot more of a say in this than you are putting on, Dukester. The President's biggest responsibility is to negotiate with other nations/bodies for United States interests. The biggest body that we should be trying to negotiate with are the nations of OPEC. If we would put our (used to be) strong economic clout behind them and pressure for higher production, we would have lower prices (via Supply and Demand).

Just because you work with military members and will soon become one, does not mean you know everything about everything and everyone else knows nothing about nothing.

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RE: Bush clueless about $4 gas prices! - Jun.-11th-2008 9:40:29

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The President has a lot more of a say in this than you are putting on, Dukester. The President's biggest responsibility is to negotiate with other nations/bodies for United States interests. The biggest body that we should be trying to negotiate with are the nations of OPEC. If we would put our (used to be) strong economic clout behind them and pressure for higher production, we would have lower prices (via Supply and Demand).

Thats probably true. Doesn't it also have to do that we don't have many refineries and haven't build one in ages, and we don't seem to increase off shore drilling, drill in the midwest, and in alaska?

I don't know lol. Just wondering

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RE: Bush clueless about $4 gas prices! - Jun.-11th-2008 9:46:51

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Thats probably true. Doesn't it also have to do that we don't have many refineries and haven't build one in ages, and don't increase off shore drilling, drill in the midwest, and in alaska?

I don't know lol.

Kind of. Refineries are a big issue as well, but the price of oil isn't helping either. Refineries are also important and probably have more to do with the price of gasoline than oil does.

The amount of oil that is projected to be in the US is just a drop in the bucket compared to what could be coming out of the Middle East with increased production. We really need to get off the junk though. But, in order to get off of it, we need to get out of the pockets of Exxon Mobile and the like.

It is much more complicated than anyone can possibly imagine, that's why it is best to have an intelligent person in the White House. I'm not calling GW Bush dumb, just not as intelligent as we need a president to be.

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RE: Bush clueless about $4 gas prices! - Jun.-11th-2008 9:49:30

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You don't know it,but he already got you.
Intelligence..........

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RE: Bush clueless about $4 gas prices! - Jun.-11th-2008 9:49:34

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Just because you work with military members and will soon become one, does not mean you know everything about everything and everyone else knows nothing about nothing.

I never said that I know everything about everything... it's awesome that you're putting words in my mouth.

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RE: Bush clueless about $4 gas prices! - Jun.-11th-2008 9:54:00

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I never said that I know everything about everything... it's awesome that you're putting words in my mouth.

The way you cast off even discussing this with Tempist certainly made it seem that you feel you know more about this than him (when he didn't even express his views).

Whatever man. Enjoy the view from your Ivory Tower while us peons try to get our square blocks in the round hole.

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RE: Bush clueless about $4 gas prices! - Jun.-11th-2008 9:57:01

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WTF happened to you in your "exile" Raines... you've come back a different person.

You're not the same happy/cool Raines you used to be...

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RE: Bush clueless about $4 gas prices! - Jun.-11th-2008 9:57:19

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Kind of. Refineries are a big issue as well, but the price of oil isn't helping either. Refineries are also important and probably have more to do with the price of gasoline than oil does.

The amount of oil that is projected to be in the US is just a drop in the bucket compared to what could be coming out of the Middle East with increased production. We really need to get off the junk though. But, in order to get off of it, we need to get out of the pockets of Exxon Mobile and the like.

Why would you need more refineries in America, when fuel consumption should be decreasing and not increasing (given fuel efficiency and less people willing to drive at high fuel prices).

Eastern countries like India, Packastan and China are in need of oil so that is pushing price up but not the price at which oil is standing at. Also parts of America purchase oil from Canada. You cannot make more refineries to drop the price of gas if the price of oil is high. Again, the capacity is there, the low costs aren't.

And as for Middle East oil, it doesn't help your cause for getting oil and production up when you're fighting a war. If you want those supplies, then you need to ensure that there will be no disruption in getting it.

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RE: Bush clueless about $4 gas prices! - Jun.-11th-2008 9:57:58

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LMAO. It seems nowadays it is safer to talk about religion, than it does to talk about Politics/Foreign Affairs.

Settle down boys.

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RE: Bush clueless about $4 gas prices! - Jun.-11th-2008 10:07:11

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Why would you need more refineries in America, when fuel consumption should be decreasing and not increasing (given fuel efficiency and less people willing to drive at high fuel prices).

Eastern countries like India, Packastan and China are in need of oil so that is pushing price up but not the price at which oil is standing at. Also parts of America purchase oil from Canada. You cannot make more refineries to drop the price of gas if the price of oil is high. Again, the capacity is there, the low costs aren't.

And as for Middle East oil, it doesn't help your cause for getting oil and production up when you're fighting a war. If you want those supplies, then you need to ensure that there will be no disruption in getting it.

I'll address your points and my views on them one by one.

Why would you need more refineries in America, when fuel consumption should be decreasing and not increasing (given fuel efficiency and less people willing to drive at high fuel prices).- The vacations that people aren't taking and the staying home more does not make up nearly enough of our country-wide fuel consumption. People still need to eat, this food needs to travel to their local grocery store and it travels by semi. Also the food that they eat (mostly meat) needs to be fed as well and there's more fuel. Everything you have to buy is connected to fuel. That's why prices are going up on everything. More refineries would give more supply and with the slightly lower demand, will lower prices.

Eastern countries like India, Packastan and China are in need of oil so that is pushing price up but not the price at which oil is standing at. Also parts of America purchase oil from Canada. You cannot make more refineries to drop the price of gas if the price of oil is high. Again, the capacity is there, the low costs aren't.- The price of gas has increased over 40% nationwide in the past year, oil prices have increased 25%. The disparity is because of refineries are not keeping pace.

And as for Middle East oil, it doesn't help your cause for getting oil and production up when you're fighting a war. If you want those supplies, then you need to ensure that there will be no disruption in getting it.- Don't disagree with this at all.

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RE: Bush clueless about $4 gas prices! - Jun.-11th-2008 12:01:46

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Yeah gas isn't the only thing Bush doesn't know **** about.

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RE: Bush clueless about $4 gas prices! - Jun.-11th-2008 15:25:42

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He probably doesn't know the bill of rights either.

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RE: Bush clueless about $4 gas prices! - Jun.-11th-2008 15:28:21

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Dukester, can you tell me why you think the president deserves respect? Can you tell me what he has done in this country that should make everyone like him?

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