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ORIGINAL: HeavyRaines17
As to DrPirate's comment, this is why doctor's "practice" medicine. It's not as exact of a science as some of you might want to believe.

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ORIGINAL: socomnick

Screw let the experiments begin I want my cool futuristic bionic penis , and my hovercars and my super human strength.

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ORIGINAL: SpaceCowgirl

Why not preform these experiments on death row prisoners? They get fed, clothed and then put out of their misery in generally a humane and quick way? But the victim will never get to see their loved ones again, or get over the emotional pain. Why shouldn't these men and women give back to society for everything they took away, why shouldn't they have to suffer for all the suffering they have caused? People would also be less likely to commit murder or other crimes if they knew they risked spending their last days as a guinea pig. 

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ORIGINAL: SpaceCowgirl

What does it matter, no need to worry about the R&D timeline, the prisoners are getting what they deserve and we are learning more to advance the human race. 

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ORIGINAL: harry190

It then implies  a clash between emotions and logic.
What determines objectivity and what defines human nature?
Where is the fine line? Do morals bind us or prevents us from becoming
similar beasts? Would you go as far as criminals,employ the
same tactics,to exact revenge? It was given to us the ability to think coupled to emotions,
and I believe it serves a purpose. As much as I don't believe in the existence of an omniscient
god-like figure,I don't accept the concept of an all purpose,all-powerful use of natural sciences.
The problem has always been to make the right choice,the one in the middle,which I believe,we
still can't grasp truly.

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TL:DR VERSION: If it means putting a small group of people through unspeakable pain, torture, sickness and death to advance science and medical knowledge which could possibly help countless generations, is it okay?

Science is an interesting subject and like all things it has a light and dark side. A game like Bioshock is a great example, an environment of unrestrained scientific discovery and advancement. But it all turned quite ugly like a rotting fruit first all tasty but then as you see in the game not so super duper.

Scientific Misconduct has had a long history, at times it has been commended for the information such cruel acts have produced and more recently has been condemned for the horrible and torturous things being done to people. Even records of people performing vivisections on other humans (dissecting them while still alive) have show that even earlier than 200BC this kind of stuff has been going on.

It has only been the last hundred years when really ethical based laws or concepts have been developed in order to stop scientific research which caused human suffering or death. Much of this was brought about by Josef Mengele, who preformed hundreds maybe thousands of experiments on prisoners of the Auschwitz concentration camps. He was a huge fan of live subject testing and quickly dissecting their bodies while they still lived to view the results of experiments, boiling people alive, crushing them, amputations, ripping people apart and putting them together again, sewing people together, injecting chemicals or acids into people and the cruelty of these experiments only grow much more gruesome and the senseless deaths increase.

Sometimes great medical and scientific advancements are made through such cruel experimentation, other times people are just murdered and tortured with no real knowledge being gained. Now in today’s world where there are chemical weapons, DNA, biological warfare, greater scientific understanding and a strong demand for an increased acceleration of scientific knowledge there is more pressure on scientists to cut corners and make moral and ethical sacrifices to produce results and advancements.

What extent is it okay to play with human life to advance science of today? Is it okay to cut a person to pieces while still alive in order to cure cancer? Is it alright to infect a group of 40 people with the HIV virus to find ways to stop AIDS? What about injecting 100-200 death row prisoner’s with an assortment of chemicals to learn more about how the human body works? Or even Embryonic Stem Cell research?

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ORIGINAL: SpaceCowgirl

Why not preform these experiments on death row prisoners? They get fed, clothed and then put out of their misery in generally a humane and quick way? But the victim will never get to see their loved ones again, or get over the emotional pain. Why shouldn't these men and women give back to society for everything they took away, why shouldn't they have to suffer for all the suffering they have caused? People would also be less likely to commit murder or other crimes if they knew they risked spending their last days as a guinea pig. 

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ORIGINAL: SpaceCowgirl

TL:DR VERSION: If it means putting a small group of people through unspeakable pain, torture, sickness and death to advance science and medical knowledge which could possibly help countless generations, is it okay?

Science is an interesting subject and like all things it has a light and dark side. A game like Bioshock is a great example, an environment of unrestrained scientific discovery and advancement. But it all turned quite ugly like a rotting fruit first all tasty but then as you see in the game not so super duper.

Scientific Misconduct has had a long history, at times it has been commended for the information such cruel acts have produced and more recently has been condemned for the horrible and torturous things being done to people. Even records of people performing vivisections on other humans (dissecting them while still alive) have show that even earlier than 200BC this kind of stuff has been going on.

It has only been the last hundred years when really ethical based laws or concepts have been developed in order to stop scientific research which caused human suffering or death. Much of this was brought about by Josef Mengele, who preformed hundreds maybe thousands of experiments on prisoners of the Auschwitz concentration camps. He was a huge fan of live subject testing and quickly dissecting their bodies while they still lived to view the results of experiments, boiling people alive, crushing them, amputations, ripping people apart and putting them together again, sewing people together, injecting chemicals or acids into people and the cruelty of these experiments only grow much more gruesome and the senseless deaths increase.

Sometimes great medical and scientific advancements are made through such cruel experimentation, other times people are just murdered and tortured with no real knowledge being gained. Now in today’s world where there are chemical weapons, DNA, biological warfare, greater scientific understanding and a strong demand for an increased acceleration of scientific knowledge there is more pressure on scientists to cut corners and make moral and ethical sacrifices to produce results and advancements.

What extent is it okay to play with human life to advance science of today? Is it okay to cut a person to pieces while still alive in order to cure cancer? Is it alright to infect a group of 40 people with the HIV virus to find ways to stop AIDS? What about injecting 100-200 death row prisoner’s with an assortment of chemicals to learn more about how the human body works? Or even Embryonic Stem Cell research?

Science is just a division on the conspiracy theory that the world has placed upon us.  If you really think about it, every human being living is nothing more than an experiment.  The harsh reality is that there are cures to diseases such as HIV and AIDS. It's just the fact that it costs a sufficient amount of money to get your hands on that kind of technology and antidotes. Magic Johnson should have been dead a long time ago.  If there are drugs to supress the virus, then there are certainly ways to eliminate it as well.  Polio was a deadly disease once, but it didnt take long to fix it.

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ORIGINAL: SpaceCowgirl

Why not preform these experiments on death row prisoners? They get fed, clothed and then put out of their misery in generally a humane and quick way? But the victim will never get to see their loved ones again, or get over the emotional pain. Why shouldn't these men and women give back to society for everything they took away, why shouldn't they have to suffer for all the suffering they have caused? People would also be less likely to commit murder or other crimes if they knew they risked spending their last days as a guinea pig. 

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ORIGINAL: Play B3yond

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ORIGINAL: SpaceCowgirl

Why not preform these experiments on death row prisoners? They get fed, clothed and then put out of their misery in generally a humane and quick way? But the victim will never get to see their loved ones again, or get over the emotional pain. Why shouldn't these men and women give back to society for everything they took away, why shouldn't they have to suffer for all the suffering they have caused? People would also be less likely to commit murder or other crimes if they knew they risked spending their last days as a guinea pig. 

And what if they were framed (which has happened a few times)...Then not only being on death row sucks but then they have to be tortured for something they didnt do

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ORIGINAL: SpaceCowgirl

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ORIGINAL: Play B3yond

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ORIGINAL: SpaceCowgirl

Why not preform these experiments on death row prisoners? They get fed, clothed and then put out of their misery in generally a humane and quick way? But the victim will never get to see their loved ones again, or get over the emotional pain. Why shouldn't these men and women give back to society for everything they took away, why shouldn't they have to suffer for all the suffering they have caused? People would also be less likely to commit murder or other crimes if they knew they risked spending their last days as a guinea pig. 

And what if they were framed (which has happened a few times)...Then not only being on death row sucks but then they have to be tortured for something they didnt do

Then they would be great for psychological and forensic experimentation to discover ways to tell if people are lying.