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RE: Barack Obama vs John McCain, who will become the ne... - Jun.-30th-2008 20:10:55

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RE: Barack Obama vs John McCain, who will become the ne... - Jun.-30th-2008 20:14:31

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Um, withe? What?

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RE: Barack Obama vs John McCain, who will become the ne... - Jun.-30th-2008 20:17:40

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RE: Barack Obama vs John McCain, who will become the ne... - Jul.-1th-2008 8:45:38

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Obama will win because the war in Iraq has left a bad taste in the majority of the popular vote in America. The democrats seem adamently opposed to the war.

George W did a good thing by taking down one of the cruelist dictatorships in history. Sadam performed genocide on his own people. Sadly, George W is nothing but criticized for it.

I want McCain to win but it isn't going to happen. People vote for who is deemed 'most popular' pretty much, not on their merits sadly.

There is a reason why Arnold is the governator of California you know.

Good post Bloodmask, and that's probably what's going to happen.

Though if any democrat thinks they'll just pull the troops out of the mid-east in a heartbeat, they're dead wrong. We'll be there for some time, because the moment we leave... things will get worse (both over there, and on our own soil).

And I dont know about you guys, but I really dont want to fight on United States soil and watch as our cities get bombed and our people get destroyed.

McCain, though radical in his views is an infinitely better candidate than Obama.

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RE: Barack Obama vs John McCain, who will become the ne... - Jul.-1th-2008 9:02:45

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Obama does have the popular vote but so did Gore and he lost. Hillary also had the popular vote but Obama took the Nomination. It'll be a hardpress battle between the two. Obama still wants to take guns away from the people that could cause him to lose a lot of votes but he's also for universal health which most people look at as free insurance (which it's anything but) and Obama would raise taxes for all.

McCain we can't say a lot about because the focus on the Democratic Nom was so long and focused on. I think that is McCains driving factor because the Dems are still split and scorned. Hillary supporters still hate Obama and will vote McCain just for spite.

I'll throw my liberal hat on for a sec and say the only reason Bush went and took Sadam was because it would be an easy win and he wanted to finish is Dads fight back when he was pres then seeing that we are there might as well keep the fight over there. Putting on my conservative hat the war was coming and it's better to have it over seas rather then wait for it to come to the US.

Also I don't think whoever gets in will change to much. In the end the President does not have a lot of power unless they have the Senate and the House behind their every decision which neither would. Along with anything a President starts rolling out while in office the next president eliminates.

So if you read all that then you'd gather that I don't know

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RE: Barack Obama vs John McCain, who will become the ne... - Jul.-1th-2008 9:07:43

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And I dont know about you guys, but I really dont want to fight on United States soil and watch as our cities get bombed and our people get destroyed.

McCain, though radical in his views is an infinitely better candidate than Obama.

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RE: Barack Obama vs John McCain, who will become the ne... - Jul.-1th-2008 9:19:01

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I dont want to turn this into a debate on Iraq but i've been thinking lately about the war and American politics and I have come to this conclusion. I have been on the fence over the war for many years, but I feel that this is how I view the entire situation personally:

I think one of the largest problems the United States faces is an identity crisis, some seem to acknowledge and accept that the US is a hegemonic power that can and should exercise its own self interest all across the world, and use all means necessary to maintain and build upon American power while others believe that the United States should not do this and should use diplomacy and multilateralism instead to protect its interests.

Personally I see it as this, regardless of the reasons behind the war and all the lies it ultimately is in the United States long term interest economically, militarily and strategically to have invaded Iraq, end the resistance and bloodshed and establish permanent American bases there, therefore they should stay there. I do not see it as morally wrong or as a bad thing, because what is good for the United States is ultimately good for me and Australia (my home country), who relies heavily on the US for security and who also shares similar values and beliefs as the US does.

United States power in the Middle East and around the world I believe is essential to maintaining and securing stability, peace and ultimately the energy that we need as a society to continue to live our lifestyles. Anything that helps accomplish these objectives is ultimately a good thing in my eyes.

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RE: Barack Obama vs John McCain, who will become the ne... - Jul.-1th-2008 9:24:10

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Saddam hussein was nowhere near amongst the cruelest Dictators in history.

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RE: Barack Obama vs John McCain, who will become the ne... - Jul.-1th-2008 9:37:13

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Dukester101

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Obama will win because the war in Iraq has left a bad taste in the majority of the popular vote in America. The democrats seem adamently opposed to the war.

George W did a good thing by taking down one of the cruelist dictatorships in history. Sadam performed genocide on his own people. Sadly, George W is nothing but criticized for it.

I want McCain to win but it isn't going to happen. People vote for who is deemed 'most popular' pretty much, not on their merits sadly.

There is a reason why Arnold is the governator of California you know.

Good post Bloodmask, and that's probably what's going to happen.

Though if any democrat thinks they'll just pull the troops out of the mid-east in a heartbeat, they're dead wrong. We'll be there for some time, because the moment we leave... things will get worse (both over there, and on our own soil).

And I dont know about you guys, but I really dont want to fight on United States soil and watch as our cities get bombed and our people get destroyed.

McCain, though radical in his views is an infinitely better candidate than Obama.

Duke I love you buddy, but thats such a short sighted way to think about the war in Iraq, by staying in the middle east the American perception is only getting worse, as extremist groups find more and more fuel for their cause. 9/11 was organized without the U.S. hate being where it is now, NOW though, 9/11 could happen again and be worse.

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RE: Barack Obama vs John McCain, who will become the ne... - Jul.-1th-2008 11:32:26

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Dukester101

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ORIGINAL: BIoodmask

Obama will win because the war in Iraq has left a bad taste in the majority of the popular vote in America. The democrats seem adamently opposed to the war.

George W did a good thing by taking down one of the cruelist dictatorships in history. Sadam performed genocide on his own people. Sadly, George W is nothing but criticized for it.

I want McCain to win but it isn't going to happen. People vote for who is deemed 'most popular' pretty much, not on their merits sadly.

There is a reason why Arnold is the governator of California you know.

Good post Bloodmask, and that's probably what's going to happen.

Though if any democrat thinks they'll just pull the troops out of the mid-east in a heartbeat, they're dead wrong. We'll be there for some time, because the moment we leave... things will get worse (both over there, and on our own soil).

And I dont know about you guys, but I really dont want to fight on United States soil and watch as our cities get bombed and our people get destroyed.

McCain, though radical in his views is an infinitely better candidate than Obama.

I dont see how attacking Iraq and Afghanistan is gonna prevent the US from begin bombed.

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RE: Barack Obama vs John McCain, who will become the ne... - Jul.-1th-2008 12:40:01

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First and foremost, I don't believe in party affiliations; that being said, I decided a couple of years ago, that if McCain ever ran, I was voting for him. I still believe I will now. He is very moderate; so much so, that the Republican Party didn't want him running. Second, Obama has no experience, and people who think he has no loyalty to big money or lobbyists, need to check again; the whole corn ethanol over sugar ethanol. Every politician has loyalty to someone else. Furthermore, I don't like how he is misleading with his speeches. Obama says he is completely against the war in Iraq and will do everything to end it; but his platform calls for an increase in troops, and securing the "Green Zone"; which is every highway, airport, city, American base and foreign interest.. the same reason that is given to us today. So McCain has my vote.

I know George Bush has done poorly, but not everything can be blamed on him. The bad decisions in Iraq were the generals poor planning. For once in years a President left the war planning to the military and they all messed it up. Also, I personally believe the reason for being in Iraq is because the U.S. wants a military presence in the area next to Iran, etc. No proof for this, but just my belief for why they went in.

Also, George Bush didn't ruin the economy. Just like Bill Clinton didn't do great with the economy. The economy works on a Bell Curve. Whatever happens now is because of financial decisions that took place 8-12 years prior. Whoever is the next president will inherit the economy and the war, and goodluck to them

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RE: Barack Obama vs John McCain, who will become the ne... - Jul.-1th-2008 13:44:54

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ORIGINAL: Odion

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ORIGINAL: Dukester101

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ORIGINAL: BIoodmask

Obama will win because the war in Iraq has left a bad taste in the majority of the popular vote in America. The democrats seem adamently opposed to the war.

George W did a good thing by taking down one of the cruelist dictatorships in history. Sadam performed genocide on his own people. Sadly, George W is nothing but criticized for it.

I want McCain to win but it isn't going to happen. People vote for who is deemed 'most popular' pretty much, not on their merits sadly.

There is a reason why Arnold is the governator of California you know.

Good post Bloodmask, and that's probably what's going to happen.

Though if any democrat thinks they'll just pull the troops out of the mid-east in a heartbeat, they're dead wrong. We'll be there for some time, because the moment we leave... things will get worse (both over there, and on our own soil).

And I dont know about you guys, but I really dont want to fight on United States soil and watch as our cities get bombed and our people get destroyed.

McCain, though radical in his views is an infinitely better candidate than Obama.

Duke I love you buddy, but thats such a short sighted way to think about the war in Iraq, by staying in the middle east the American perception is only getting worse, as extremist groups find more and more fuel for their cause. 9/11 was organized without the U.S. hate being where it is now, NOW though, 9/11 could happen again and be worse.

I think we have very diffrent views on how to deal with terrorist. You seem to have a pacifist view you wish to befriend them in order to prevent bloodshed in the future. My method would be to put a pigs blood coated bullet in their head and hopefully scare off the rest from attempting any further attacks on me.

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