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RE: Do you support gay marriage? - Jul.-9th-2008 6:54:59

Odion

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Here's the two major reasons why I'm against gay marriage in the USA.

1. It would further weaken the traditional family values essential to our society. The building blocks of our society and the thing that makes it strong is the traditional family of man, woman, and children. It is what has sustained us through two world wars, a great depression, and numerous other challenges over the centuries. While friends & lovers come and go, your family is always there. The main reason our culture and values have started to crumble is the weakening of families. Introducing another form of "family" would only make the situation worse.

2. It could provide a slippery slope in the legality of marriage (e.g. having multiple wives or marrying an object could be next). Gay rights activists claim that these marriages should be allowed because it doesn't hurt anyone, but it could start a chain reaction that destroys the whole idea of marriage. If someone wants to marry his dog, why shouldn't he be able to? What if someone wants to marry their brother or parent? What if someone wants to marry their blow-up doll or have 10 wives? Unless we develop some firm definition of what a marriage is, the options are endless. If these options sound absurd, remember that all it takes is a few activist judges to use the statute to open the door. It doesn't matter if 95 percent of the population disagrees with the policy, one judge can interpret the case the way he or she wants and use the doctrine of stare decisis to impose a law on everyone. Do you remember how two judges in California recently declared the Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional? If the decision hadn't been overturned, it would have prevented millions of children from being able to say the pledge every morning, despite the fact that 95+ percent of Americans disagreed with the decision.

Is anyone going to even comment on my well put together reasons?

God where to begin, the crumbling of the family is not because our morals are going out the window, its because people just don't want to stay with someone they don't like, All the examples you've given were before major civil rights movements, and the independence of women. Remember that 50% of man and women marriages end, the same so far cannot be said for gay marriages.

This is about the most retarded comment I've ever heard, it sounds like what white people said in the 60's. If we let the black man sit anywhere on the bus, or go to any school, soon he'll want to vote, and be seen equally under the law.

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RE: Do you support gay marriage? - Jul.-9th-2008 8:07:53

Jack Bauer

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You know what really drives me nuts these days. It's this postmodernistic view everyone seems to have. The idea of that there is no finite truth in our world. That right and wrong is what you make it up to be. It's that type of thinking that makes me sick.

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Daxx, this isn't about winning. I posted some reasons a few minutes ago that, although not going against you directly, it opposes your reasons. Your arguments are really opinionated, and I will kindly agree to disagree. But you give opinions as reasons and not facts, so I don't think there is any reason to respond as it is your opinion. But I for one don't think you won, and i'm sure many others don't think so either.

I was kind of joking about the winning thing because no one was replying to the thread for a while. But I'll just take the blame because it's hard to translate sarcasm into text. I probably should of done this /sarcasm.

Anyways, it's 2:00 a.m. where I live and I need to get some sleep. I'll list some facts tomorrow.

Daxx, homosexuality was around long before most, if not all of the traditional family values you seem to think are important were even established. The world was fine before everyone started hating on gays and it will continue to be fine when everyone realizes how pointless their hate is.

whats the oldest proffession (that is illegal today)...just cause it has been around a while doesnt make it right....im going to go enslave some people cause taht has been around thousands of years ...that arguement cant work...? just cause it has been around a while doesnt make it right.

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RE: Do you support gay marriage? - Jul.-9th-2008 8:10:49

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im against marrage in general. its a religious institution that people are forced to participate in to get many benefits not avalible to those in a domestic partnership. i agree with the concept just not how america uses it.

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RE: Do you support gay marriage? - Jul.-9th-2008 8:15:10

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ORIGINAL: Daxx

You know what really drives me nuts these days. It's this postmodernistic view everyone seems to have. The idea of that there is no finite truth in our world. That right and wrong is what you make it up to be. It's that type of thinking that makes me sick.

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ORIGINAL: Solid_Snake

Daxx, this isn't about winning. I posted some reasons a few minutes ago that, although not going against you directly, it opposes your reasons. Your arguments are really opinionated, and I will kindly agree to disagree. But you give opinions as reasons and not facts, so I don't think there is any reason to respond as it is your opinion. But I for one don't think you won, and i'm sure many others don't think so either.

I was kind of joking about the winning thing because no one was replying to the thread for a while. But I'll just take the blame because it's hard to translate sarcasm into text. I probably should of done this /sarcasm.

Anyways, it's 2:00 a.m. where I live and I need to get some sleep. I'll list some facts tomorrow.

Daxx, homosexuality was around long before most, if not all of the traditional family values you seem to think are important were even established. The world was fine before everyone started hating on gays and it will continue to be fine when everyone realizes how pointless their hate is.

whats the oldest proffession (that is illegal today)...just cause it has been around a while doesnt make it right....im going to go enslave some people cause taht has been around thousands of years ...that arguement cant work...? just cause it has been around a while doesnt make it right.

not the same thing at all, your comparing the ensalvement of people, or having to sell ones body to survive with the the ability to be whoever you really are. Alexander the Great was gay, pretty sure he conqured the known world

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RE: Do you support gay marriage? - Jul.-9th-2008 8:18:09

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ORIGINAL: Daxx

You know what really drives me nuts these days. It's this postmodernistic view everyone seems to have. The idea of that there is no finite truth in our world. That right and wrong is what you make it up to be. It's that type of thinking that makes me sick.

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ORIGINAL: Solid_Snake

Daxx, this isn't about winning. I posted some reasons a few minutes ago that, although not going against you directly, it opposes your reasons. Your arguments are really opinionated, and I will kindly agree to disagree. But you give opinions as reasons and not facts, so I don't think there is any reason to respond as it is your opinion. But I for one don't think you won, and i'm sure many others don't think so either.

I was kind of joking about the winning thing because no one was replying to the thread for a while. But I'll just take the blame because it's hard to translate sarcasm into text. I probably should of done this /sarcasm.

Anyways, it's 2:00 a.m. where I live and I need to get some sleep. I'll list some facts tomorrow.

Daxx, homosexuality was around long before most, if not all of the traditional family values you seem to think are important were even established. The world was fine before everyone started hating on gays and it will continue to be fine when everyone realizes how pointless their hate is.

whats the oldest proffession (that is illegal today)...just cause it has been around a while doesnt make it right....im going to go enslave some people cause taht has been around thousands of years ...that arguement cant work...? just cause it has been around a while doesnt make it right.

not the same thing at all, your comparing the ensalvement of people, or having to sell ones body to survive with the the ability to be whoever you really are. Alexander the Great was gay, pretty sure he conqured the known world

must point out that i know gay people and they admitted that its a choice. granted it may not be a concious choice but its a choice. just my take

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RE: Do you support gay marriage? - Jul.-9th-2008 8:21:52

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ORIGINAL: Odion

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ORIGINAL: Jack Bauer

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ORIGINAL: Daxx

You know what really drives me nuts these days. It's this postmodernistic view everyone seems to have. The idea of that there is no finite truth in our world. That right and wrong is what you make it up to be. It's that type of thinking that makes me sick.

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ORIGINAL: Solid_Snake

Daxx, this isn't about winning. I posted some reasons a few minutes ago that, although not going against you directly, it opposes your reasons. Your arguments are really opinionated, and I will kindly agree to disagree. But you give opinions as reasons and not facts, so I don't think there is any reason to respond as it is your opinion. But I for one don't think you won, and i'm sure many others don't think so either.

I was kind of joking about the winning thing because no one was replying to the thread for a while. But I'll just take the blame because it's hard to translate sarcasm into text. I probably should of done this /sarcasm.

Anyways, it's 2:00 a.m. where I live and I need to get some sleep. I'll list some facts tomorrow.

Daxx, homosexuality was around long before most, if not all of the traditional family values you seem to think are important were even established. The world was fine before everyone started hating on gays and it will continue to be fine when everyone realizes how pointless their hate is.

whats the oldest proffession (that is illegal today)...just cause it has been around a while doesnt make it right....im going to go enslave some people cause taht has been around thousands of years ...that arguement cant work...? just cause it has been around a while doesnt make it right.

not the same thing at all, your comparing the ensalvement of people, or having to sell ones body to survive with the the ability to be whoever you really are. Alexander the Great was gay, pretty sure he conqured the known world

he had 2 wives...oh wait so multiple wives should be legal too? ... but anyway military leaders dont always make the best politicions

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RE: Do you support gay marriage? - Jul.-9th-2008 8:40:59

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Actually homosexuality is a violation of many religious institutions. That is why gay marriages is not legal in most states.

seperation of church and state...i just think it is immoral, thats why im against it

Separation of press and state. The Press should not travel or even talk about what the state is doing. Everyone is a libertarian until you see a dog fight.

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RE: Do you support gay marriage? - Jul.-9th-2008 8:46:37

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Actually homosexuality is a violation of many religious institutions. That is why gay marriages is not legal in most states.

seperation of church and state...i just think it is immoral, thats why im against it

Separation of press and state. The Press should not travel or even talk about what the state is doing. Everyone is a libertarian until you see a dog fight.

umm...see ive done some homework and theology is a hobby of mine. gay marriage is actually a direct violation of the marriage "laws" of every major religion recognized by the U.S. government. im against gay marriage but as i said earlier im against marriage as a legal institution, gay or straight.

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RE: Do you support gay marriage? - Jul.-9th-2008 8:50:03

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Calm down boys...

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RE: Do you support gay marriage? - Jul.-9th-2008 8:50:59

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Gay people should have everything Straight people have in rights...Is the love not there? Gay couples obviously love each other if they're willing to marry and adopt kids. I am friends with a lesbian couple, both awesome people, both made for each other, I think they should get married.

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RE: Do you support gay marriage? - Jul.-9th-2008 9:08:07

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again.....( read two posts up)

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RE: Do you support gay marriage? - Jul.-9th-2008 9:09:24

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Actually homosexuality is a violation of many religious institutions. That is why gay marriages is not legal in most states.

seperation of church and state...i just think it is immoral, thats why im against it

Separation of press and state. The Press should not travel or even talk about what the state is doing. Everyone is a libertarian until you see a dog fight.

umm...see ive done some homework and theology is a hobby of mine. gay marriage is actually a direct violation of the marriage "laws" of every major religion recognized by the U.S. government. im against gay marriage but as i said earlier im against marriage as a legal institution, gay or straight.

Here is the economist prospective on marriage and why it should be institutionalized and recognized by the government. I am an economist.

You are new in town. You find an apartment. The landlord wants to fill the apartment. So no contract is sign because you are buying space like you buy fruit. You meat someone a go to their apartment, You find that it is closer to work, cheaper, and all around better. I quickly pay off your mouths rent and move to that guys apartment.
Or the landlord has two very attractive ladies come by. He makes you move out accommodate these beautiful women.

There is always going to be a more attractive mate out there then the one you are currently married too. If everyone was switching all the time then no one would have babies. No one would be with anyone during the hard times. No one would be around to learn the true you.

Homosexuality is a mental disorder close to OCD. It's treatable it's curable. And I don't hate gays like I don't hate drunks.

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RE: Do you support gay marriage? - Jul.-9th-2008 9:19:55

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i dont dissagree that it should be recognized. but it should be much the same offer the same rights as a "domestic partnership". the dp rights and benefits should at least be upped to match the status of marriage so that its one for religous people and one for those who arnt. i dont believe that gays should be allowed to violate the religious institution of marriage and i dont believe that gays should be banned from the rights and benefits a marriage currently offers.(except adoption as it could cause trama if the child wasnt old enough to choose wether or not to go with gay parents as they are given the choice if theyre old enough to understand.) and the mental disorder part....ill admit i agree but id rather not continue on that subject. i dont care what others think but im not trying to offend people either.

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RE: Do you support gay marriage? - Jul.-9th-2008 9:50:54

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Daxx, homosexuality was around long before most, if not all of the traditional family values you seem to think are important were even established. The world was fine before everyone started hating on gays and it will continue to be fine when everyone realizes how pointless their hate is.

Show me an example from history of homosexuality being before the traditional family (Father Mother Child). Now I don't deny that homosexuality existed during the acient times but it wasn't the first family structure.

Remember, I'm a Bible believing Christian. I consider Adam and Eve to be the first human beings and because I believe that to be true that means the traditional family was there before homosexuality. But of coarse the majority of you don't believe what I believe so you would consider my beliefs to be outdated and backwards.

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RE: Do you support gay marriage? - Jul.-9th-2008 9:58:07

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Daxx, homosexuality was around long before most, if not all of the traditional family values you seem to think are important were even established. The world was fine before everyone started hating on gays and it will continue to be fine when everyone realizes how pointless their hate is.

Show me an example from history of homosexuality being before the traditional family (Father Mother Child). Now I don't deny that homosexuality existed during the acient times but it wasn't the first family structure.

Remember, I'm a Bible believing Christian. I consider Adam and Eve to be the first human beings and because I believe that to be true that means the traditional family was there before homosexuality. But of coarse the majority of you don't believe what I believe so you would consider my beliefs to be outdated and backwards.

ah well i dont think the values are backwards as i was a christian aswell. matter of fact i agree with most of them but i believe the laws should be changed to accomidate other beliefes. read my earlier posts to see what i mean

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RE: Do you support gay marriage? - Jul.-9th-2008 10:25:14

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ah well i dont think the values are backwards as i was a christian aswell. matter of fact i agree with most of them but i believe the laws should be changed to accomidate other beliefes. read my earlier posts to see what i mean

I can kind of agree with what you're saying.

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RE: Do you support gay marriage? - Jul.-9th-2008 10:29:31

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then youve got a huge headstart on other christans. (except some hypocrites who claim to be christian and believe your born gay

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RE: Do you support gay marriage? - Jul.-9th-2008 10:43:15

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then youve got a huge headstart on other christans. (except some hypocrites who claim to be christian and believe your born gay)

Well I've already come to grasps that America was never a Christian nation to begin with (Even though many Christians seem to believe that). Most of our founding fathers weren't Christians. A lot them had agnostic, atheistic, or pseudo-Christian beliefs. The main reason why they used some Christian values to found America was because the majority of the American population, at the time, was strongly influenced by Puritan beliefs.

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RE: Do you support gay marriage? - Jul.-9th-2008 10:44:02

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