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RE: What would happen if Sega joined Microsoft? - Jul.-14th-2008 7:33:38   
Odion


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Status: offline 		its like saying that silent films didn't have to worry about films with sound!

No one wants to watch a movie with sound and voices!

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RE: What would happen if Sega joined Microsoft? - Jul.-14th-2008 7:34:07   
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its like saying that silent films didn't have to worry about films with sound!

No one wants to watch a movie with sound and voices!

Yeah false sarcasm right here.

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RE: What would happen if Sega joined Microsoft? - Jul.-14th-2008 9:05:30   
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E3 has begun my friends start the console war ramblings! I shall begin witha great quote I read this morning!

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Wii isn't a rival to the PlayStation 3 because it doesn't offer the broader features of the Sony console, including the ability to watch movies and access the Internet, Sony Chief Executive Officer Howard Stringer said in an interview.

``I've played a Nintendo Wii,'' Stringer said last week at the Allen & Co. media conference in Sun Valley, Idaho. ``I don't see it as a competitor. It's more of an expensive niche game device. We're selling a lot of PlayStation 3s now and it's still the best way to buy a Blu-ray player.''


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...r6g&refer=home


I suppose they're not competing in terms of quality (not to suggest that one's better than the other, but they're both in leagues of their own) but he's a little ignorant for thinking that they don't need to worry about the Wii.

Of course, this is just trash talking, like they all do. I don't think they believe half of what they're saying most of the time.



Sometimes this site just makes me chuckle at its hypocrisy. If a MS exec said this it would 1000 degrees front page news and 500 comments.

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RE: What would happen if Sega joined Microsoft? - Jul.-14th-2008 9:12:45   
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Sometimes this site just makes me chuckle at its hypocrisy. If a MS exec said this it would 1000 degrees front page news and 500 comments.


Well, there's not much we can do about it, it's a community-driven site, and a community-driven site is only as good as... well, the community.

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to really grasp and enjoy halo 3 you need to be a mature person who has experienced life, love and loss

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RE: What would happen if Sega joined Microsoft? - Jul.-14th-2008 9:33:37   
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lol, now that would be awesome

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RE: What would happen if Sega joined Microsoft? - Jul.-14th-2008 9:34:46   
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PANZER DRAGOON KTHNX PLZ ?!
lol, now that would be awesome

Bah, Sin and Punishment 2 would be so much better.

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RE: What would happen if Sega joined Microsoft? - Jul.-14th-2008 9:36:07   
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RE: What would happen if Sega joined Microsoft? - Jul.-14th-2008 9:37:15   
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pfft! lies, you lie bama.....all lies

No way.

Treasure>Andromeda

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RE: What would happen if Sega joined Microsoft? - Jul.-14th-2008 9:38:38   
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RE: What would happen if Sega joined Microsoft? - Jul.-14th-2008 10:34:17   
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I agree with you there.....But, I love Panzer Dragoon :P

Of course

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RE: What would happen if Sega joined Microsoft? - Jul.-16th-2008 13:27:53   
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Status: offline 		I think Sega might actually grow up and realise that gamers are not kids/students, they might finally realise that the avarage age of gamers now is 30 and those people are not 30 something geeks living with there parents but normal people with other halfs and kids to support and bills to pay etc.

it's stupid that the industry complains that the media don't give games the respect music and films get, they the companies themselves also harbour the same stereotypical views because the top brass are not gamers and don't understand how the industry has changed, all they pay attention to is the fact they are selling more.

As MS are first and foremost a PC company I think they feel the console market is an extension to that, catering for the same people who own PCs with there crummy OS on them, as such I think they understand that the majority of gamers today are those who where playing C64 and ZX81 when they where kids back in the 80's.

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RE: What would happen if Sega joined Microsoft? - Jul.-16th-2008 13:38:42   
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I think Sega might actually grow up and realise that gamers are not kids/students, they might finally realise that the avarage age of gamers now is 30 and those people are not 30 something geeks living with there parents but normal people with other halfs and kids to support and bills to pay etc.

it's stupid that the industry complains that the media don't give games the respect music and films get, they the companies themselves also harbour the same stereotypical views because the top brass are not gamers and don't understand how the industry has changed, all they pay attention to is the fact they are selling more.

As MS are first and foremost a PC company I think they feel the console market is an extension to that, catering for the same people who own PCs with there crummy OS on them, as such I think they understand that the majority of gamers today are those who where playing C64 and ZX81 when they where kids back in the 80's.

LMFAO. Gaming's biggest customers are kids. You playstation generation folks make me laugh. If your biggest audience isn't kids then you have overshot the market. Kids are the future. Half of your "30 year old males" will stop gamin before the next console cycle starts.

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RE: What would happen if Sega joined Microsoft? - Jul.-16th-2008 13:44:28   
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Status: offline 		Figures prove it (at least in europe anyway no idea about anywhere else)

and why would we stop gaming? we started in the early 80's chucking 10p's in the machines for hours on end bought the first home computers, moved on to consoles and have continued ever since.

what you talking about playstation generation? PS1 came out in 1994 the teens of today are the playstation generation not the 30 somethings.

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RE: What would happen if Sega joined Microsoft? - Jul.-16th-2008 13:48:44   
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Figures prove it (at least in europe anyway no idea about anywhere else)

and why would we stop gaming? we started in the early 80's chucking 10p's in the machines for hours on end bought the first home computers, moved on to consoles and have continued ever since.

what you talking about playstation generation? PS1 came out in 1994 the teens of today are the playstation generation not the 30 somethings.

Live in your little internet meme world. If companies can't attract kids then the companies will die. Kids who play game systems more and more play portables now anyway. The Wii is the only system attracting kids of the home consoles. You obviously didn't listen to a word Iwata said about the gamer drift in Japan. Feel free to live in your magical island where you think the industry revolves around you. Some of us are up to speed with reality.

Do you not remember the magical moments that brought you into gaming? If we keep going more and more complicated then people won't have those moments. Gaming would become a niche. Just like your commodore and amiga enthusiasts.

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RE: What would happen if Sega joined Microsoft? - Jul.-16th-2008 14:02:38   
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Status: offline 		No I don't really remember the magical moments that brought me into gaming that well I was about 2 at the time, I remember far more my perception of the views of the top brass in the industry from the PR spouters at Sony to the developers/produces and the views of my own bosses.

I only payed attention to this thread because it involves a company I work for.

You continue your view from the outside, when you have been in the industry for six month or so I guarantee you will see things in a different light.

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RE: What would happen if Sega joined Microsoft? - Jul.-16th-2008 14:08:16   
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No I don't really remember the magical moments that brought me into gaming that well I was about 2 at the time, I remember far more my perception of the views of the top brass in the industry from the PR spouters at Sony to the developers/produces and the views of my own bosses.

I only payed attention to this thread because it involves a company I work for.

You continue your view from the outside, when you have been in the industry for six month or so I guarantee you will see things in a different light.

If you can't bring in new customers your company dies. "Innovate or die" I'd listen to Nintendo who is in 1st and always makes a profit before any of you birdmen.

I really imagine I should seek help from Sega for business plans, you guys have less business sense then anyone in the games industry. I'm sure Sega Saturn was a smashing success for you guys.

If your in MS then I wouldn't listen either. Your business plan involves throwing money and crap at stuff and hoping something sticks. Why do you think your failing in Japan?

Sega will go bankrupt if they don't learn. And mark my words Microsoft will leave the games industry.

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RE: What would happen if Sega joined Microsoft? - Jul.-16th-2008 14:15:17   
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Status: offline 		Sega is the 4th biggest publisher in the world and has been expanding for the past 3 years following the EA model, it is far from going bankrupt.

Microsoft is the biggest company in the world thay make more in a day then sega probably makes in a year, they can afford to throw money at things until they have a monopoly that has been the way they do business for years and they have made less loss on 360 then xbox and gained more of the market which shows the stratagy is working.

why are you so agressive all the time?

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RE: What would happen if Sega joined Microsoft? - Jul.-16th-2008 14:25:26   
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Status: offline 		Does throwing money at **** work for the worlds governents? Microsoft works because they follow a business model of cheapening prices at the rate equipment become cheaper. Once equipment reaches is peak they will have no business plan. they are popular by being Walmart and using Monopoly. Why does Microsoft fail in every area it goes in that they don't bundle the software? PDAs, Zune, Tabletop computers, Xbox brand (arguable), etc. Your beliefs are what is called detroit disease.



Read it.

I agree that Sega is getting better though.

As for your being an insider all I have to say is

"hey I'm superman, I fly around in a cape and save people"

As you can see you can say you are anyone on the internet.

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RE: What would happen if Sega joined Microsoft? - Jul.-16th-2008 14:47:20   
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Yeah you can say what you like on a forum and no one cares because it's a forum full of faceless nerds, lying on forums is something kids do, if you think I'm lying fine I don't care, its up to you what you think but I really don't like the aggressive attitude of yours, chill out a bit please.

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RE: What would happen if Sega joined Microsoft? - Jul.-16th-2008 15:33:32   
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Status: offline 		I am sorry for being so aggressive. That being said however, Microsoft uses a western mindset. Think of what happened to the automobile industry in detroit. That is Microsofts future. The Japanese have a different way of viewing things. It is why Japanese companies conquered not only the Video Gaming business in the 80s but the TV, computer, and software businesses as well. Microsoft's beusiness policies that made them rich will be the business policies that make them fail. They already are starting to have problems. They overshot the market with Vista. You can't listen to your main cuomers so much, you have to find out behavior. Your hit makers are hit maers because they are Marketers first, developers second. People are fine with Windows XP for now and don't want Vista, but eventually they will gro tired of XP once something with different values come out. Microsoft is keen for disruption. Arrogance wll be there downfall, like every other western comany. Remember what I'm saying today. It might not seem to make sense now but in ten years it will. The thing I am most anticipating is when India and Cina get into the games industry. Japanse developers gave the American and European markets allot to be excited about and opened people's minds on Japanese culture. What will come of the rest of the asian expansion? I'll be interesting to watch the market shift. Thanks for being so cordial I know I was being somewhat stubborn. You should read the Innovator's Dilemma though, its a good book.

On another note, the problem with market expansion is that developers can't see beyond themselves. They make games for themselves so they think the industry revolves around them. Thats not the case, people go crazy over the fact that women are starting to play video games however women have always had an interest in video games, but ever since the NES generation they have been mainly ignored. Removing barriers that stop people from playing video games is the key to success. Leaving the barriers to push art is the key to doom. I strongly agree with your point about games not being like movies. Its true in a different way then you are thinking. Games arent meant to push art they are entertainment. Nothing more, nothing less.

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