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RE: What Sony's 1st and 2nd party developers are develo... - Jul.-20th-2008 20:42:24

DrPirate

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I'll stick to this then.

Because I completely 10000% understand where you're coming from.

Leipzig, Sony announces their purchase of quantic dream.

I realized I can find you all the proof in the world, but not one announcement of QD being owned by Sony.

Edit: Actually I found what I'm looking for. It just has Heavy Rain listed under Sony First Party games.

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RE: What Sony's 1st and 2nd party developers are develo... - Jul.-20th-2008 20:44:31

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Heavy Rain

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1st Party

Bigbig Studios = Possibly the next Hot Shots Golf game
Sony Online Entertainment = DC Universe Online, The Agency, Free Realms
Clap Hanz = ?
Evolution Studios = Motorstorm: Pacific Rift
Guerrilla Games = Killzone 2
Incognito = New exclusive to be unveiled
Naughty Dog Studios = Uncharted 2, Unknown PSN Game
SCE Bend = Resistance: Retribution
SCE Foster City = ?
SCE Japan = SIREN: Blood Curse, Afrika, The Last Guy
Team ICO = Two new exclusive in the work
SCE London Studio = SingStar: Vol.2, Home
SCE Santa Monica Studio = God of War III
Polyphony Digital = Gran Turismo 5
SCE San Diego Studio = NBA 09 The Inside
SCE Cambridge Studio = (Currently at Guerrila and writing PSedge tools, MAYBE incoprorating trophies to Heavenly Sword (ninja theory forum, stated from a developer there), will be working on frozen projects like Eight Days, which weren't canceled, but given a budget and manpower freeze)
SCE Studio Liverpool = Wipeout HD
SOE Denver = ?
Zipper Interactive = M.A.G.
Quantic Dreams = Heavy Rain: TOK (Confirmed btw...)

2nd Party

Cellius = Brave Arms, Second Season 01, Chain Lim!t
Eat Sleep Play = Three exclusive titles for PS3, one is Twisted Metal
Game Republic = ?
Idol Minds = Pain: Amusement Park expansion pack
Insomniac Games = Resistance 2, Ratchet and Clank: Quest for Booty
Media Molecule = Little Big Planet
Sucker Punch = Infamous
Slant Six Games = SOCOM: Confrontation
thatgamecompany = Flower, new exclusive TBA
Dark Star = Fat Princess

Tell me if I left anything out.

Also, I don't know if I should mention this. Q games is not first or second aprty, but they have a contract for 6 pixel junk games. After Pixel Junk Eden, they're making a Pixel Junk dungeon crawler.

Quantic Dream is Second Party, they are not owned by sony, they just have an exclusive contract for Heavy Rain as of right now.

no once again thats wrong, Quantic Dreams is a third party developer making a game for Sony, they are not a second party

No no, I'm not ignorant on these issues. Just trust me on that one.

If you'll question me again, you'll force me to go through a **** load of press releases and stuff, and while I DO have the time. I'd much rather listen to music :\

there is no need, they are making Heavy Rain by Sony but are not under legal contract to only make Sony games, and are not owned at all by Sony hence they are a Third Party who is making a game for Sony. Just like Remedy.

Sony is publishing the game, so its second party. if it was third party, someone else would be publishing this game, like UBISOFT. now do you understand the difference between 1st party, 2 party, and 3rd party?

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RE: What Sony's 1st and 2nd party developers are develo... - Jul.-20th-2008 20:45:08

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Pirate.... Are you going to Heavy own him or what???

Oh my God.

PLEASE CUT THE QUOTE CHAIN

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RE: What Sony's 1st and 2nd party developers are develo... - Jul.-20th-2008 20:45:53

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Yeah I know. I made the mistake. I read Heavy Rain being first party, I must have minced words.

It's my mistake.

I still think Sony buys QD at Leipzig though :\

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Pirate.... Are you going to Heavy own him or what???

Oh my God.

PLEASE CUT THE QUOTE CHAIN

No I didn't quote see? I knew it bothered you :)

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RE: What Sony's 1st and 2nd party developers are develo... - Jul.-20th-2008 20:48:06

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haha

It's cool.. When you post before it, I thought: Thank God Pirate stoped the chain and then BAM... Quote chain again. :)

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RE: What Sony's 1st and 2nd party developers are develo... - Jul.-20th-2008 20:56:33

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Pirate.... Are you going to Heavy own him or what???

Oh my God.

That happens so much that it does not mean anything really anymore.

Thanks for the thread. Nice info.

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RE: What Sony's 1st and 2nd party developers are develo... - Jul.-20th-2008 20:58:24

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Well in an official Sony release, they certainly had Heavy Rain being a first party title.

Does this just mean they own the IP and QD are doing it, or does it mean they were bought?

This is why I made the mistake. I won't be owning anyone if I was wrong. It was a legitimate error I think.

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RE: What Sony's 1st and 2nd party developers are develo... - Jul.-20th-2008 21:00:19

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ORIGINAL: DrPirate

Well in an official Sony release, they certainly had Heavy Rain being a first party title.

Does this just mean they own the IP and QD are doing it, or does it mean they were bought?

This is why I made the mistake. I won't be owning anyone if I was wrong. It was a legitimate error I think.

Dude you're a guido don't admit to your faults, just blame it on your girlfriend! YAAHHH!

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RE: What Sony's 1st and 2nd party developers are develo... - Jul.-20th-2008 21:08:58

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Well in an official Sony release, they certainly had Heavy Rain being a first party title.

Does this just mean they own the IP and QD are doing it, or does it mean they were bought?

This is why I made the mistake. I won't be owning anyone if I was wrong. It was a legitimate error I think.

Dude you're a guido don't admit to your faults, just blame it on your girlfriend! YAAHHH!

Yeah I thought it was a good joke at first, now it went all stale. I'll try to find a new meme to change too.

I was thinking Frat Boy? Or Moonies.

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RE: What Sony's 1st and 2nd party developers are develo... - Jul.-20th-2008 21:10:18

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What about the boarder line metrosexual/homosexual?

NO!!!!!! SCRATCH ALL THAT!!!!

WHAT ABOUT, SCIENTOLOGIST?!

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RE: What Sony's 1st and 2nd party developers are develo... - Jul.-20th-2008 21:17:34

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Just cut the confusion and say what are these developers making for sony.

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RE: What Sony's 1st and 2nd party developers are develo... - Jul.-20th-2008 21:45:22

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Guys I'll show the definition of a second party again

In the video game industry, a second-party developer is a developer who, while being a separate entity from any console manufacturer, is tied to a specific one usually through contract or partial ownership and makes games specifically for that console manufacturer.
The defining characteristic is that a second-party developer is a company completely separate from the manufacturer, while first-party developers are considered to be a "division" of the console maker itself.

QD is not owned by Sony, and they are also not under contract to just make Sony games, HR could be a Sony owned title, but that still does not make them a second party developer.

This concept is not hard people, unless a company is owned or under legal contract to make games only for one Manufacturer then they are not considered a second party they are consider a third party.

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RE: What Sony's 1st and 2nd party developers are develo... - Jul.-20th-2008 21:47:51

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Calm down amigo. Third party,2nd party who cares what they are called. You only get to play
Heavy Rain and LBP on the PS3 and Gears and Halo on the 360. That is the only thing that matters.

Edit: Oops,forgot PC.

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RE: What Sony's 1st and 2nd party developers are develo... - Jul.-20th-2008 21:49:46

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I'm still confused Odion.

Second Party sounds like 1st. So Would Bioshock be considered Second Party because they had contract for timed exclusive?

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RE: What Sony's 1st and 2nd party developers are develo... - Jul.-20th-2008 21:50:55

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This concept is not hard people, unless a company is owned or under legal contract to make games only for one Manufacturer then they are not considered a second party they are consider a third party.

Yeah, I've got it. I already admitted to making the mistake though :\

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RE: What Sony's 1st and 2nd party developers are develo... - Jul.-20th-2008 22:00:11

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Okay... you are all stupid. Third party in this respect is exclsuive, but obviously most third party games are multiplatform.

First Party = Internal developer owned by it's respective hardware company and published by them too. ( E.g. Guerilla Games and SCEE with Killzone2)

Second Party = External developer, independant or partially owned, published by the respective hardware company. (E.g. Insomniac and SCEA with Resistance 2)

Third Party = External developer, independant or inclusive of a seperate publishing company. (E.g. Kojima Productions and Konami with Metal Gear Solid 4)

By the way, not to jinx Insomniac, but multiplatform seems unlikely, they have never made a game on anything outside the PS brand. They say they are doing fine right now, and they are focusing on the PS3. They obviously see more of a future in PS3.

Second Party is the complicated part, and it has no relation to contracts of exclusivity, it is in relation to who publishes it. If Microsoft Games Studios, publishes a game developed by an external studio, then the game is Second Party. If the game is developed and produced by someone other than the hardware company, and it's exclusive, it's a Third Party exclusive.

Bioshock was a Third Party exclusive, and it remains that way, even when Microsoft paid for the marketing. It was not published (shipped) by them.

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RE: What Sony's 1st and 2nd party developers are develo... - Jul.-20th-2008 22:02:25

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Okay... you are all stupid. Third party in this respect is exclsuive, but obviously most third party games are multiplatform.

I like your style.

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RE: What Sony's 1st and 2nd party developers are develo... - Jul.-20th-2008 22:05:03

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why doesnt sony buy insomniac? or quantum dreams?
and i never knew that sucker punch was 2nd

but if LBP is good sony needs to buy media molecule

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RE: What Sony's 1st and 2nd party developers are develo... - Jul.-20th-2008 22:06:36

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Firebrand- Never Die Alone. it's using the Hyperbole-Tec Engine.

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RE: What Sony's 1st and 2nd party developers are develo... - Jul.-20th-2008 22:07:45

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Okay... you are all stupid. Third party in this respect is exclsuive, but obviously most third party games are multiplatform.

I like your style.

Haha, needed to be said. Especially since I know what I am talking about.

EDIT: @grantps3

Sucker Punch is First Party. Sony own the company.

And Sony won't buy Insomniac becuase they are confident about Insomniacs sentiment towards the PS3. And as for media molecule, they may possess the same views as Insomniac. People don't always need to snatch up indie developers to monopolise, Sony doesn't want that.

If they were to invest in another developer, they should try to diversify. it's become shockingly apparent they have no RPG developers.

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