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RE: Global Warming - Mar.-27th-2008 16:06:33

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in a broader sense yes.

the Earth goes through periods of hot and cold (in spans of billions of years mind you) ... check a non-liberal history book

wow dude... non liberal histroy book.. wow... im as republican as the next guy.. but wow.

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RE: Global Warming - Mar.-27th-2008 16:07:11

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global warming
pole reversing
mayan calendar ending
asteroid on target with Earth
return of Jesus
i don't care... i just want to be there with front row seats and a beer in my hand.

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RE: Global Warming - Mar.-27th-2008 16:08:29

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are you freaking kidding... comparing the earths climate to a wavelength... jeez

The principle of what Duke (and Mr Swede and PS360WII) say is correct. There is overwhelming and undisputed archeological evidence that the Earth's climate goes through warming and cooling trends. However, I don't think we should continue mucking about without a care for the results, that's just not good stewardship.

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RE: Global Warming - Mar.-27th-2008 16:09:16

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When he was in office he didn't do a thing. And once his term is up, he starts to push global warming. As far as I know he isn't a scientist, or doesn't have any kind of degree in regards to the environment.

Why do people look up to Al Gore?

lol yeah your right toughname. I wonder what hes driven in and flown in?

i thought those were no no's

Granted he might just be makeing a quick buck on people.

We should be responsible with the environment. Its just some people seem to go a little too far.

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RE: Global Warming - Mar.-27th-2008 16:09:23

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I gotta agree with Duke, I used to believe that Gobal Warming was real and it was happening but I started to think that maybe its just a bunch of BS which is what I think of many religions. I reckon the Earth is going through a stage of cooling or warming up, will it affect the weather we normally have?

Many questions left unanswered and hell people think we are going to die in May 2008 and now people think we will die in 2012 just because the Mayan calendar ended in that year lol.

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RE: Global Warming - Mar.-27th-2008 16:13:03

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I gotta agree with Duke, I used to believe that Gobal Warming was real and it was happening but I started to think that maybe its just a bunch of BS which is what I think of many religions. I reckon the Earth is going through a stage of cooling or warming up, will it affect the weather we normally have?

Many questions left unanswered and hell people think we are going to die in May 2008 and now people think we will die in 2012 just because the Mayan calendar ended in that year lol.

it does seem cyclical in fact i've heard now we are cooling down.

and we are going to die in 2008?....wait i was told we were doomed when y2k would hit, or 6/6/06. Oh yeah and that was my senior skip day in high school at the theme park...and nothing happened like getting stuck in on a roller coaster

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RE: Global Warming - Mar.-27th-2008 16:16:24

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ORIGINAL: SmokeyMcBear
are you freaking kidding... comparing the earths climate to a wavelength... jeez

The principle of what Duke (and Mr Swede and PS360WII) say is correct. There is overwhelming and undisputed archeological evidence that the Earth's climate goes through warming and cooling trends. However, I don't think we should continue mucking about without a care for the results, that's just not good stewardship.

yes there is evidence of this, whatever the cause of these events, it has shown that this occurs. Over the billions and billions of years ( pardon the numbers if you are a christian, which i am), this has shown. But what we are doing to this earth, the fossil fuels we are buring, the pollution we are creating, the exponential increase in population we are having, the continued consumption of earths resourses, has never been done on this scale, in all of those billions and billions of years, there has never been the human activity of destruction on this level. We have taken once fertile land and created wastelands. We have polluted water sources to the point of extinction of life. If people think we can keep up with these activities unchecked without suffering consequences they are wrong. Yes there are cycles showing the cooling and warming of the earth (over millions of years, not decades), but there is no evidence or factor in what we are doing to this planet.

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RE: Global Warming - Mar.-27th-2008 16:18:24

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Smart people dont. There is no such thing as man made global warming. It's a bunch of liberal BS.

The earth goes through natural periods of warming and cooling. Think of it as a wavelength. We just left an ice age billions of years ago. Now we're on the upward trend to a warmer earth billions of years from now.

Um no Duke. They have and do look at things like this. One way they know Ice Ages even exists is primarily the fact that Ice has lasted billions of years leaving layers of information on weather and the state of the Earth. If in deed that each ice age was ended in a final state of there being no ice left around, then there wouldn't be worries at all. The unfortunate problem lies in that soon (relative to the earth time line) major ice sheets and glaciers will have disappeared which has never happened.

Read about ice ages. The last only ended a short while ago (10,000 to 15,000 years ago). The age of Oil will have lasted roughly 300 years. A blip, but a significant blip in the the release of trapped Carbon. To illustrate my point, picture having a big smelly fart in an elevator. Yeah it's not around for a long time, but it stinks for the short time that it happens.

BTW: Oil has naturally surfaced (via earthquakes and seepage), this results in oil sands, but there are bacteria that will breakdown oil and hydrocarbons, rendering the affected area safe in the future.

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RE: Global Warming - Mar.-27th-2008 16:19:08

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Some can argue that fossil fuel was nature's way of locking the massive amount of carbon dioxide that existed in the prehistoric era, deep under the earth's crust, and we are bringing it back out with each fill up at the pump. Something tells me that can't be a good thing, regardless of not if it brings on a new ice age, or global warming or whatever.

The way I see it is the old "It's not our problem, let our grandchildren take care of it" line of thinking... since we can't exactly shut down the punps. We can however put more money, a lot more than what we are now, into the research of alternate fuel solutions. The tesla car is proof that we don't need fossil fuel.... but awwww....that would hurt the oil tycooons. Can't do that now can we?

Yeah but counter argument goes something like this B-Man; If it is a carbon way of planting (not necessarily Carbon Dioxide given that's as a result of a chemical reaction) then that extraction method thus should be a method that places it back into an organic system, not into the atmosphere. Remember that fossil fules (oil, coal, gas) are the result of carbon from organic sources (plants, animals). If you wanted to extract it into a safer non-atmostpheric method, you would need it to be in diamonds, or graphite. Carbon Dioxide has never been in excess atmospherically until the industrial revolution.

There.

Just a quick wiki reference.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide#In_the_Earth.27s_atmosphere

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Five hundred million years ago carbon dioxide was 20 times more prevalent than today, decreasing to 4-5 times during the Jurassic period and then maintained a slow decline until the industrial revolution, with a particularly swift reduction occurring 49 million years ago.

Of course it's been in excess, specifically due to when our planet was covered in volcanos. That caused a crap load of CO2 to spill into the air, and it has been in decline ever since, but now it is steadily going back up because of what the industrial revolution has brought. It's already known that our planet had a much warmer global temperature back then... I believe there might be a coincidence there somewhere...

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RE: Global Warming - Mar.-27th-2008 16:21:40

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ORIGINAL: Dukester101

in a broader sense yes.

the Earth goes through periods of hot and cold (in spans of billions of years mind you) ... check a non-liberal history book

So you're saying that our planet is warming up naturally and we have absolutely NOTHING to do about it?

Regardless of the vast amount of ozone polution?

I think it's all our fault, wheather the planet is suppose to get warmer or colder WE are the ones that have polluted this planet and have been a huge contributing factor on the process of this warmth.

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RE: Global Warming - Mar.-27th-2008 16:21:49

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Al Gore = Peter Griffin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95RfjkGwoNU

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RE: Global Warming - Mar.-27th-2008 16:25:26

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I'm going to simplify this in gamer terms as best I can.

Think of the earth as a Xbox 360. It typically works fine and dandy in optimum conditions. But say that it's ability to self cool is hampered by the fact that the cooling system is clogged with dust (CO2). What eventually begins to happen is components begin to over heat and break down. Eventually too many parts break and what do you end up with? A RROD.

And typically since no one's a 360 tech, the problem cannot just be solved, but speculated.

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RE: Global Warming - Mar.-27th-2008 17:05:43

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I'm going to simplify this in gamer terms as best I can.

Think of the earth as a Xbox 360. It typically works fine and dandy in optimum conditions. But say that it's ability to self cool is hampered by the fact that the cooling system is clogged with dust (CO2). What eventually begins to happen is components begin to over heat and break down. Eventually too many parts break and what do you end up with? A RROD.

And typically since no one's a 360 tech, the problem cannot just be solved, but speculated.

The earth cools itself? How does it do that? What is the cooling system equivalent on the Earth?

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RE: Global Warming - Mar.-27th-2008 17:10:00

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so those who oppose the theory of mankind having a big factor in the Earth's climate shouldn't care about pollution and sucking the life and resources of the planet, right?
whether or not humans are a factor in changing the Earth's temperature does not give us a right to pollute and rob every last resource on the planet. Especially when we are technically advanced enough to use less of the worlds resources. Until we can colonize extra-stellar planets, we depend on the Earth not the other way around and our negligence of treating it poorly will justify any future natural catastrophe that our planet deals to us. I would rather side with the ones who are pushing the theory of mankind's hand at ruining our world and in so, do something to prevent something getting out of hand than to sluff it off and say it's just a natural occurance and one day maybe come to realize we were wrong. When it's too late, it's too late.

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RE: Global Warming - Mar.-27th-2008 17:10:06

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The earth cools itself? How does it do that? What is the cooling system equivalent on the Earth?

The North Pole cools the Earth dude.

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RE: Global Warming - Mar.-27th-2008 17:15:03

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When it's too late, it's too late.

yeah but if we really have screwed the earth.....arent we kinda there already? I mean mathematically speaking considering all the stuff we have done so far, how much would we have to do even make a blip on the radar?

Before you take me the wrong way, i agree that we should take care of the environment and find alternative forms of enegry. not to the extreme of some like an environmentalist....but thats just a question i have always had reguarding global warming.

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RE: Global Warming - Mar.-27th-2008 17:17:27

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The earth cools itself? How does it do that? What is the cooling system equivalent on the Earth?

The North Pole cools the Earth dude.

So the distance and direction of the sunlight have nothing to do with the poles being cold? But the poles are cold because they produce cold?The poles are the big cooling rods? I am I right?

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RE: Global Warming - Mar.-27th-2008 17:21:07

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The earth cools itself? How does it do that? What is the cooling system equivalent on the Earth?

The North Pole cools the Earth dude.

So the distance and direction of the sunlight have nothing to do with the poles being cold? But the poles are cold because they produce cold?The poles are the big cooling rods? I am I right?

EDIT: Nevermind what I posted before, I had misunderstood your comment.

Anyway I saw on the Discovery channele something about the north pole. When the sun's UV rays hit the planet, the north pole acts as a mirror you might say that reflects a lot of the Suns heat and bounces it off the Earth cooling the Planet and maintaing a stabalize temperature. Obviously if the North Pole melts, the Earth is going to experience some super drastic changes that might kill a lot of animals, plant life, heck even us!

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RE: Global Warming - Mar.-27th-2008 17:21:14

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When it's too late, it's too late.

yeah but if we really have screwed the earth.....arent we kinda there already? I mean mathematically speaking considering all the stuff we have done so far, how much would we have to do even make a blip on the radar?

Before you take me the wrong way, i agree that we should take care of the environment and find alternative forms of enegry. not to the extreme of some like an environmentalist....but thats just a question i have always had reguarding global warming.

no i understand you. i'm not an environmentalist at all and some of them are crazy, but whatever negative effects we are doing, whether we know as fact or not, is a progression and so i don't think we will really know the toll we have placed and when we do it's already too late. i think it's too late already but i like the thought of mankind becoming extinct.

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RE: Global Warming - Mar.-27th-2008 17:41:45

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ORIGINAL: Jon_Smackenrow

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The earth cools itself? How does it do that? What is the cooling system equivalent on the Earth?

The North Pole cools the Earth dude.

So the distance and direction of the sunlight have nothing to do with the poles being cold? But the poles are cold because they produce cold?The poles are the big cooling rods? I am I right?

EDIT: Nevermind what I posted before, I had misunderstood your comment.

Anyway I saw on the Discovery channele something about the north pole. When the sun's UV rays hit the planet, the north pole acts as a mirror you might say that reflects a lot of the Suns heat and bounces it off the Earth cooling the Planet and maintaing a stabalize temperature. Obviously if the North Pole melts, the Earth is going to experience some super drastic changes that might kill a lot of animals, plant life, heck even us!