Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much?

Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? (MidnytRain)

Sat, 26 Jan 2013 19:05:23 GMT

B Man

MidnytRain

thorstein

Kon A world without government is ridiculous.
How so? Humans survived for THOUSANDS of years without government... None whatsoever. In reality, we are a social animal that tends to stay in packs. Since we are Primates we already have (again) for THOUSANDS of years developed a very real way to survive without killing each other and wiping ourselves out. When you consider that the world's police forces are vastly outnumbered by the populace, yet the populace (for the most part) don't run through the streets killing, raping, robbing, and assaulting. In fact, right now, we are in the most peaceful time in human history.

Just because you outnumber someone doesn't mean you can overpower them. Ever see 300? An organized, well-equipped military will likely crush anything not on that level. Also, the reason we don't have as much killing and robbing as we would is BECAUSE of government's law enforcement.

THIS, because Hollywood is 100% accurate and we should base all our beliefs on what we see on the magic picture box. Why are we so concerned about the life of the President when there are real life problems going on on Pandora? Thousands of Aliens are being slaughtered as we speak.

I've actually never seen the movie, but I know what event it was based on. From what I remember, Leonidas had far fewer men than his enemy. I mentioned the movie because I figured it was relatable...

Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? (WildArmed)

Sat, 26 Jan 2013 14:58:15 GMT

thorstein

Kon A world without government is ridiculous.
How so? Humans survived for THOUSANDS of years without government... None whatsoever. In reality, we are a social animal that tends to stay in packs. Since we are Primates we already have (again) for THOUSANDS of years developed a very real way to survive without killing each other and wiping ourselves out. When you consider that the world's police forces are vastly outnumbered by the populace, yet the populace (for the most part) don't run through the streets killing, raping, robbing, and assaulting. In fact, right now, we are in the most peaceful time in human history.

We have seen more advancement in technology and science in the past 2 centuries than all those 'thousands' of years. Being organized (such as in shapes of gov.) did help the advancement of species. We probably wouldn't have been half as far if we all lived in disconnected packs.

Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? (Rane-StP)

Sat, 26 Jan 2013 14:17:53 GMT

Ha! That was good.

Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? (B Man)

Sat, 26 Jan 2013 14:13:34 GMT

MidnytRain

thorstein

Kon A world without government is ridiculous.
How so? Humans survived for THOUSANDS of years without government... None whatsoever. In reality, we are a social animal that tends to stay in packs. Since we are Primates we already have (again) for THOUSANDS of years developed a very real way to survive without killing each other and wiping ourselves out. When you consider that the world's police forces are vastly outnumbered by the populace, yet the populace (for the most part) don't run through the streets killing, raping, robbing, and assaulting. In fact, right now, we are in the most peaceful time in human history.

Just because you outnumber someone doesn't mean you can overpower them. Ever see 300? An organized, well-equipped military will likely crush anything not on that level. Also, the reason we don't have as much killing and robbing as we would is BECAUSE of government's law enforcement.

THIS, because Hollywood is 100% accurate and we should base all our beliefs on what we see on the magic picture box. Why are we so concerned about the life of the President when there are real life problems going on on Pandora? Thousands of Aliens are being slaughtered as we speak.

Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? (wishingW3L)

Sat, 26 Jan 2013 07:52:14 GMT

just watch The Walking Dead and then you'll understand why we need a leader and a government.

Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? (ZombieNinjaPanda)

Fri, 25 Jan 2013 12:56:02 GMT

UnSelf

ZombieNinjaPanda

UnSelf

Free from what though? I never quite understood this. We are given rights from the same ppl who can take em. Maybe I don't quite undestand politics or something but who are we free from? The British? The Russians? The Japanese? We haven't faced an invasion since the 18th century. All we seem to do is invade but that's another story. I don't get how I'm free though. I got rights that can be taken away at any moment. Most issues seem to be domesticated. In a weird way this country is like Gotham after Bane took over

And then this is where everything falls apart. Rights aren't given, they are't earned, they don't get taken away over time or added for being good little children. They're rights, not privileges. Why is it they can take them away? Don't work like ethat dude. So I guess I agree with this post. But you're right, what is it that soldiers of America are defending me from? A bunch of men in wholes who haven't done anything in decades? They're more concerned with murdering the people who are invading their country currently.

So what then?

Good point. Problem is rights aren't rights they are privileges. Just ask any Japanese American living in America during WWII

Overuse of power to unlawfully imprison a group of people because a ****ty country is scared isn't a good example of something being a privilege. It doesn't change the fact that what happened was completely illegal. It also doesn't change the fact that rights are rights and not privileges.

Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? (UnSelf)

Fri, 25 Jan 2013 12:37:52 GMT

ZombieNinjaPanda

UnSelf

Free from what though? I never quite understood this. We are given rights from the same ppl who can take em. Maybe I don't quite undestand politics or something but who are we free from? The British? The Russians? The Japanese? We haven't faced an invasion since the 18th century. All we seem to do is invade but that's another story. I don't get how I'm free though. I got rights that can be taken away at any moment. Most issues seem to be domesticated. In a weird way this country is like Gotham after Bane took over

And then this is where everything falls apart. Rights aren't given, they are't earned, they don't get taken away over time or added for being good little children. They're rights, not privileges. Why is it they can take them away? Don't work like ethat dude. So I guess I agree with this post. But you're right, what is it that soldiers of America are defending me from? A bunch of men in wholes who haven't done anything in decades? They're more concerned with murdering the people who are invading their country currently.

So what then?

Good point. Problem is rights aren't rights they are privileges. Just ask any Japanese American living in America during WWII

Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? (cgoodno)

Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:15:07 GMT

mintaro

MidnytRain
Just because you outnumber someone doesn't mean you can overpower them. Ever see 300? An organized, well-equipped military will likely crush anything not on that level. Also, the reason we don't have as much killing and robbing as we would is BECAUSE of government's law enforcement.
Finally something interesting worth talking about on here.

So you're saying we're basically animals without self control and we need a governing body to control us. Or did I mix that up.

He said as much killing and robbing. He didn't say without government that we'd all suddenly become killers and robbers.

Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? (sjaakiejj)

Fri, 25 Jan 2013 09:01:25 GMT

mintaro

So you're saying we're basically animals without self control and we need a governing body to control us. Or did I mix that up.

A leader will always be necessary. We may not always have had a government, but even when humans lived in smaller groups without a central governing body, we still lived in ranks and still had a leader. This doesn't just apply to humans, but also to other animals that live in groups - take a look at wolves for instance. Their packs have a clear leader.

A country without a leader is one of anarchy. There are too many people with ill intentions to make that end well.

Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? (redDevil87)

Fri, 25 Jan 2013 06:00:07 GMT

Whenever the leader of a country gets assassinated it makes the country look weak, helpless and creates panic. It would be pretty bad for the USA if this happened. They're one of the biggest superpowers in the world, can destroy countries, over throw dictators but can't protect the one man in charge of all of this? You can't be made to look that weak.

Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? (ZombieNinjaPanda)

Thu, 24 Jan 2013 23:47:56 GMT

UnSelf

Free from what though? I never quite understood this. We are given rights from the same ppl who can take em. Maybe I don't quite undestand politics or something but who are we free from? The British? The Russians? The Japanese? We haven't faced an invasion since the 18th century. All we seem to do is invade but that's another story. I don't get how I'm free though. I got rights that can be taken away at any moment. Most issues seem to be domesticated. In a weird way this country is like Gotham after Bane took over

And then this is where everything falls apart. Rights aren't given, they are't earned, they don't get taken away over time or added for being good little children. They're rights, not privileges. Why is it they can take them away? Don't work like ethat dude. So I guess I agree with this post. But you're right, what is it that soldiers of America are defending me from? A bunch of men in wholes who haven't done anything in decades? They're more concerned with murdering the people who are invading their country currently.

So what then?

Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? (WildArmed)

Thu, 24 Jan 2013 22:50:31 GMT

UnSelf

Free from what though? I never quite understood this. We are given rights from the same ppl who can take em. Maybe I don't quite undestand politics or something but who are we free from? The British? The Russians? The Japanese? We haven't faced an invasion since the 18th century. All we seem to do is invade but that's another story. I don't get how I'm free though. I got rights that can be taken away at any moment. Most issues seem to be domesticated. In a weird way this country is like Gotham after Bane took over

That's kinda an overly philosophical for which I don't think I am qualified to answer.

I think someone from an oppressed country coming to USA can answer that much better. Any of the rebels in Libya, if they had a chance to come to USA and live as an American. I think they would be able to tell us what we are free 'from'.

Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? (UnSelf)

Thu, 24 Jan 2013 22:07:31 GMT

Skv007

UnSelf

Rage_S90

Skv007

The idea is rooted in the concept of a family.

Just like the idea is to protect the head of a family, we protect the president.

Or you can think of it analogous to cutting the head off a dragon. President being the head, it's something we protect so that every thing functions accordingly.

Well done skv, I'm out of here.

Why do you and I always seem to agree on da same things? I was gon repost Skv post but alas that gif is too awesome.

Anyway, as Skv adequately put, the president, as a single individual, represents the countries current ideals, goals and viewpoints. In other words he's the poster boy or personification of what the US stands for. This, (both inadvertently and purposefully) makes him the leader, or the best person suited to personify this countries ideals.

However, Contrary to what the constitution says, we all aren't created equal, so we have to elect someone (a leader) that we can later cry to about not being free

I think that it doesn't contradict the constitution.
Constitution says we are created equally, and we will protect our freedom, even at the cost of our lives.

Like you mentioned, the president is the "poster boy or personification of what the US stands for."
USA has always been about freedom and equality.

By protecting the president, we are protecting the very things. The claim that we are all created equal, the claim that freedom is a right. Both of which, we will gladly die to protect.

Free from what though? I never quite understood this. We are given rights from the same ppl who can take em. Maybe I don't quite undestand politics or something but who are we free from? The British? The Russians? The Japanese? We haven't faced an invasion since the 18th century. All we seem to do is invade but that's another story. I don't get how I'm free though. I got rights that can be taken away at any moment. Most issues seem to be domesticated. In a weird way this country is like Gotham after Bane took over

Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? (mintaro)

Thu, 24 Jan 2013 22:07:08 GMT

MidnytRain

mintaro

MidnytRain

thorstein

Kon A world without government is ridiculous.
How so? Humans survived for THOUSANDS of years without government... None whatsoever. In reality, we are a social animal that tends to stay in packs. Since we are Primates we already have (again) for THOUSANDS of years developed a very real way to survive without killing each other and wiping ourselves out. When you consider that the world's police forces are vastly outnumbered by the populace, yet the populace (for the most part) don't run through the streets killing, raping, robbing, and assaulting. In fact, right now, we are in the most peaceful time in human history.

Just because you outnumber someone doesn't mean you can overpower them. Ever see 300? An organized, well-equipped military will likely crush anything not on that level. Also, the reason we don't have as much killing and robbing as we would is BECAUSE of government's law enforcement.

Finally something interesting worth talking about on here.

So you're saying we're basically animals without self control and we need a governing body to control us. Or did I mix that up.

To some extent. Who else but an animal would slaughter a school full of children? Are YOU saying we don't need law enforcement???

That's exactly what I'm saying, it's not a necessity. And that people are using that example an excuse to increase law enforcement is just ludicrous. Fear is unfortunately, a very powerful weapon.

Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? (MidnytRain)

Thu, 24 Jan 2013 21:54:53 GMT

mintaro

MidnytRain

thorstein

Kon A world without government is ridiculous.
How so? Humans survived for THOUSANDS of years without government... None whatsoever. In reality, we are a social animal that tends to stay in packs. Since we are Primates we already have (again) for THOUSANDS of years developed a very real way to survive without killing each other and wiping ourselves out. When you consider that the world's police forces are vastly outnumbered by the populace, yet the populace (for the most part) don't run through the streets killing, raping, robbing, and assaulting. In fact, right now, we are in the most peaceful time in human history.

Just because you outnumber someone doesn't mean you can overpower them. Ever see 300? An organized, well-equipped military will likely crush anything not on that level. Also, the reason we don't have as much killing and robbing as we would is BECAUSE of government's law enforcement.

Finally something interesting worth talking about on here.

So you're saying we're basically animals without self control and we need a governing body to control us. Or did I mix that up.

To some extent. Who else but an animal would slaughter a school full of children? Are YOU saying we don't need law enforcement???

Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? (WildArmed)

Thu, 24 Jan 2013 21:34:48 GMT

UnSelf

Rage_S90

Skv007

The idea is rooted in the concept of a family.

Just like the idea is to protect the head of a family, we protect the president.

Or you can think of it analogous to cutting the head off a dragon. President being the head, it's something we protect so that every thing functions accordingly.

Well done skv, I'm out of here.

Why do you and I always seem to agree on da same things? I was gon repost Skv post but alas that gif is too awesome.

Anyway, as Skv adequately put, the president, as a single individual, represents the countries current ideals, goals and viewpoints. In other words he's the poster boy or personification of what the US stands for. This, (both inadvertently and purposefully) makes him the leader, or the best person suited to personify this countries ideals.

However, Contrary to what the constitution says, we all aren't created equal, so we have to elect someone (a leader) that we can later cry to about not being free

I think that it doesn't contradict the constitution.
Constitution says we are created equally, and we will protect our freedom, even at the cost of our lives.

Like you mentioned, the president is the "poster boy or personification of what the US stands for."
USA has always been about freedom and equality.

By protecting the president, we are protecting the very things. The claim that we are all created equal, the claim that freedom is a right. Both of which, we will gladly die to protect.

Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? (UnSelf)

Thu, 24 Jan 2013 21:23:01 GMT

Rage_S90

Skv007

The idea is rooted in the concept of a family.

Just like the idea is to protect the head of a family, we protect the president.

Or you can think of it analogous to cutting the head off a dragon. President being the head, it's something we protect so that every thing functions accordingly.

Well done skv, I'm out of here.

Why do you and I always seem to agree on da same things? I was gon repost Skv post but alas that gif is too awesome.

Anyway, as Skv adequately put, the president, as a single individual, represents the countries current ideals, goals and viewpoints. In other words he's the poster boy or personification of what the US stands for. This, (both inadvertently and purposefully) makes him the leader, or the best person suited to personify this countries ideals.

However, Contrary to what the constitution says, we all aren't created equal, so we have to elect someone (a leader) that we can later cry to about not being free

Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? (mintaro)

Thu, 24 Jan 2013 21:20:38 GMT

MidnytRain

thorstein

Kon A world without government is ridiculous.
How so? Humans survived for THOUSANDS of years without government... None whatsoever. In reality, we are a social animal that tends to stay in packs. Since we are Primates we already have (again) for THOUSANDS of years developed a very real way to survive without killing each other and wiping ourselves out. When you consider that the world's police forces are vastly outnumbered by the populace, yet the populace (for the most part) don't run through the streets killing, raping, robbing, and assaulting. In fact, right now, we are in the most peaceful time in human history.

Just because you outnumber someone doesn't mean you can overpower them. Ever see 300? An organized, well-equipped military will likely crush anything not on that level. Also, the reason we don't have as much killing and robbing as we would is BECAUSE of government's law enforcement.

Finally something interesting worth talking about on here.

So you're saying we're basically animals without self control and we need a governing body to control us. Or did I mix that up.

Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? (Rane-StP)

Thu, 24 Jan 2013 21:04:25 GMT

Politics on a forum. Ha! Never works.

Re:Why Do We Value the President's Life So Much? (Rage_S90)

Thu, 24 Jan 2013 20:57:34 GMT

Skv007

The idea is rooted in the concept of a family.

Just like the idea is to protect the head of a family, we protect the president.

Or you can think of it analogous to cutting the head off a dragon. President being the head, it's something we protect so that every thing functions accordingly.

Well done skv, I'm out of here.