ninja gaiden, suck or not?

Re:ninja gaiden, suck or not? (ultimolu)

Thu, 02 Jul 2009 06:40:35 GMT

You know, people did the same crap with Ninja Gaiden Sigma. They claimed that Sigma wasn't a real Ninja Gaiden game because oh, it was easier than Black and all kinds of crap. Now that Ninja Gaiden 2 is coming to the PS3, now there's an excuse to attack it because of the blood.

I'm sorry but I like the mist/blood effect of Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2. Like I said many moons ago, it reminds me of a action movie I've seen where the same particle effect was used.

Ninja Gaiden Black and Ninja Gaiden only had head decapitations and blood-nobody complained about that. Now people are complaining about Ninja Gaiden 2?

Buy the game if you want to play it. Don't buy it if it's not your taste. As for me, I want it so I'm playing the demo and getting the game. The game I wanted most on the 360 is coming to the PS3 and I'm happy about it.

A game doesn't have to have a crapload of gore to be a great game.

Re:ninja gaiden, suck or not? (NNNW)

Thu, 02 Jul 2009 02:35:21 GMT

The ninja gaiden series really tests your reflexes and your ability for staying e-alive.
Demon's souls tests your strategy in how you defeat not only bosses but normal mobs as well.
Both are good but (in my opinion) Demon's souls is much more fun. However, neither will be fun for you if you can't accept dying constantly.

Re:ninja gaiden, suck or not? (Tetsuryu)

Thu, 02 Jul 2009 02:07:07 GMT

Charlie2688

So let me get this straight for this thread
More Gore > Better camera, more content, bug fixes, new weapons, new levels, co-op missions (separate from the main story), new playable characters, new enemies, new bosses, level tweaks, etc.?

...sigh and people wonder why we continue to go downhill

Fixed.

I'm in the same boat as you. Seriously, I just don't understand that bizarre logic. Personally I couldn't careless for excess particle effects for the sake of amusement.

METtAL-GAMER

When is Ninja Gaiden 2 due out for release on PS3?

October 1st in Japan (Pre-order bonuses: Starter guidebook w/ Classic Ryu Costume). Should be around that time for the west.

Re:ninja gaiden, suck or not? (sonarus)

Thu, 02 Jul 2009 01:41:51 GMT

Lol at trying to pretend like sigma 2 isn't greater than NG2. How many times does Tecmo need to tell you PS3 is most powerful for you to believe Mwaan. Believe in the PS3...Believe

Re:ninja gaiden, suck or not? (METtAL-GAMER)

Thu, 02 Jul 2009 01:13:35 GMT

When is Ninja Gaiden 2 due out for release on PS3?
@OP
It would be nice fir it to have blood but even if it doesn't it shouldn't effrct the game that much.
I'm more concerned about the camera.

Re:ninja gaiden, suck or not? (Charlie2688)

Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:51:15 GMT

So let me get this straight for this thread
More Gore > Better camera?

...sigh and people wonder why we continue to go downhill

Re:ninja gaiden, suck or not? (Idle h4nds)

Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:50:20 GMT

If the gore was being added to the ps3 version instead of being cut out then the fanboys would be trying to say "oh this makes the game SO much better", but since it is being cut out now we get the "oh well I don't really care about the gore anyways I'm more interested in gameplay". Well to me the gameplay looks exactly the same with a few additional characters but the overall graphical feel of the game is just not the same it looks pretty lame to me. The body parts being chopped off and blood going everywhere was one of my favorite parts of NG2. I'm not saying the game will be bad or anything I'm sure the game will still be fun it just does not have the same edge that NG2 had.

Re:ninja gaiden, suck or not? (Pain)

Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:47:01 GMT

myspaceisevil

Pain

Mwaan

Ninja Gaiden 2 is the best action game ever created. I'm not sure what's going on with Sigma 2 though. Not only have they cut out the blood, but when you decapitate someone, their fricken head disappears. The game is still rated Mature so it makes me wonder about what's going on with the port.

1. the excess blood/gore was only a visual trick to stere your eyes from the lack of detail the Xbox 2 version lacked cuz of the limited data space of DVD9 and the limited graphical power of the Xbox 2.

i personally thought the buckets of blood that flowed from the dead was stupid, and what footage shows heads disappearing??
2. its Not really a port of a good game but a Build from the ground up on PS3 more or less new game like dev said (whats his name) hence going to be the Definitive make others Massively jealous superior version of Ninja Gaiden 2

3. Beta tested by xbox kids so bound to play better on the PS3. case in point camera fix.

o but as for the topic Q. Not, unless you a Xbox fanboy then it has to suck now, cuz PS3 version is clearly the superior version and that just erks some.

thanks for being a complete douche and not contributing anything useful. i figured fanboys stayed away from forums here, but i was wrong.

on topic: @butterfinger- so i should rent sigma and buy demon souls?
...and 100 cool points for the ppl who actually contributed to my question.

Your welcome there lil fella. and considering you cant read ill highlight . its up there in Bold.

Re:ninja gaiden, suck or not? (Mwaan)

Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:37:17 GMT

Jinxstar

Mwaan

Jinxstar

Mwaan

The 360 and PS3 have different hardware so some changes were made. 360 has more ram so they were able to do all those cool blood effects and leave countless body parts lying on the ground. It was really cool when you were fighting those werewolves and they would pick up limbs and throw them at you. We're looking at two totally different games now. Neither one can be crowned the "definitive" version. For the PS3 version, coop is limited to a "mission" mode and if the first Sigma is anything to go by, all the new characters will have a 4 hit combo and that will be about it. Without the original creator of this game on board, I'm sorry, but this won't be the complete version of his original vision. Instead, it will have some extra things tacked on for the sake of calling it a director's cut or whatever.

Ok I will go over each highlight. Are you saying the PS3 can't handle things as well as the 360? Have you seen the uncharted 2 stage demo at E3? Have you seen god of war 3? Have you seen MGS4? Have you seen KZ2?... Want me to go on? I think they took it out, as stated above by sonarus, other reasons. Not because it can't handle it.

I agree they are 2 different games now. I prefer the one with more offerings.

Except by team ninja which they did if you follow my link to the GDC video. Itagaki is not the end all be all of gaming.

As for the 4 hit combos. Maybe but guess what ITS FREE ADDED STUFF. If it sucks oh well if it's great. hey there you go. if it's just decent. Still a bonus over the other version. This is no longer a topic as far as I am concerned. more Bosses, more enemies, More weapons, more levels, More characters = Definitive game. They said it and I am too.

Sigma was better then Black in nearly every way. this will do the same.

I will go over each highlight. Practically every single mulitplat game says hello. Like I said, both systems excel in different areas. If I spit on your hamburger, would it make it better? It is free added stuff. Black is better than Sigma. Rachel was a complete waste of time and brought down the quality of the game. No moves and her missions were like 2 minutes long. They also toned-down the difficulty. Puzzles became optional and you were given your best moves way to early in the game.

Ok This is NOT A PORT. IT IS A GROUND UP BUILD! You even said above they are "2 totally different games now". Now you are saying it's Multiplat to suit your argument...

Black vs Sigma is opinion.

I actually liked Rachel.

The game was hard as sin regardless. I played the heck out of black and sigma and really I noticed no difference in difficulty...

In all honesty I wanted to give the author my opinion and got called out. Now I am defending my opinion. I'm done. how the heck is anyone supposed to trust someones opinion when they have "Too Human" pasted all over themselves anyway...

It's better than having a personal attack as your signature. I bet Bloodmask smiles every time he sees it knowing that he was able to get under your skin so much that you had to do that. It was nice talking to you.

Re:ninja gaiden, suck or not? (Hellbringer)

Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:32:21 GMT

Definitely a good game, I'm wanting to get SIGMA 2 once it hits shelves, but I easily see it becoming a greatest hits game, so I'll probably just wait till then and keep myself preoccupied with an RPG.

Re:ninja gaiden, suck or not? (Jinxstar)

Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:26:21 GMT

Mwaan

Jinxstar

Mwaan

The 360 and PS3 have different hardware so some changes were made. 360 has more ram so they were able to do all those cool blood effects and leave countless body parts lying on the ground. It was really cool when you were fighting those werewolves and they would pick up limbs and throw them at you. We're looking at two totally different games now. Neither one can be crowned the "definitive" version. For the PS3 version, coop is limited to a "mission" mode and if the first Sigma is anything to go by, all the new characters will have a 4 hit combo and that will be about it. Without the original creator of this game on board, I'm sorry, but this won't be the complete version of his original vision. Instead, it will have some extra things tacked on for the sake of calling it a director's cut or whatever.

Ok I will go over each highlight. Are you saying the PS3 can't handle things as well as the 360? Have you seen the uncharted 2 stage demo at E3? Have you seen god of war 3? Have you seen MGS4? Have you seen KZ2?... Want me to go on? I think they took it out, as stated above by sonarus, other reasons. Not because it can't handle it.

I agree they are 2 different games now. I prefer the one with more offerings.

Except by team ninja which they did if you follow my link to the GDC video. Itagaki is not the end all be all of gaming.

As for the 4 hit combos. Maybe but guess what ITS FREE ADDED STUFF. If it sucks oh well if it's great. hey there you go. if it's just decent. Still a bonus over the other version. This is no longer a topic as far as I am concerned. more Bosses, more enemies, More weapons, more levels, More characters = Definitive game. They said it and I am too.

Sigma was better then Black in nearly every way. this will do the same.

I will go over each highlight. Practically every single mulitplat game says hello. Like I said, both systems excel in different areas. If I spit on your hamburger, would it make it better? It is free added stuff. Black is better than Sigma. Rachel was a complete waste of time and brought down the quality of the game. No moves and her missions were like 2 minutes long. They also toned-down the difficulty. Puzzles became optional and you were given your best moves way to early in the game.

Ok This is NOT A PORT. IT IS A GROUND UP BUILD! You even said above they are "2 totally different games now". Now you are saying it's Multiplat to suit your argument...

Black vs Sigma is opinion.

I actually liked Rachel.

The game was hard as sin regardless. I played the heck out of black and sigma and really I noticed no difference in difficulty...

In all honesty I wanted to give the author my opinion and got called out. Now I am defending my opinion. I'm done. how the heck is anyone supposed to trust someones opinion when they have "Too Human" pasted all over themselves anyway...

Re:ninja gaiden, suck or not? (Mwaan)

Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:08:37 GMT

Jinxstar

Mwaan

The 360 and PS3 have different hardware so some changes were made. 360 has more ram so they were able to do all those cool blood effects and leave countless body parts lying on the ground. It was really cool when you were fighting those werewolves and they would pick up limbs and throw them at you. We're looking at two totally different games now. Neither one can be crowned the "definitive" version. For the PS3 version, coop is limited to a "mission" mode and if the first Sigma is anything to go by, all the new characters will have a 4 hit combo and that will be about it. Without the original creator of this game on board, I'm sorry, but this won't be the complete version of his original vision. Instead, it will have some extra things tacked on for the sake of calling it a director's cut or whatever.

Ok I will go over each highlight. Are you saying the PS3 can't handle things as well as the 360? Have you seen the uncharted 2 stage demo at E3? Have you seen god of war 3? Have you seen MGS4? Have you seen KZ2?... Want me to go on? I think they took it out, as stated above by sonarus, other reasons. Not because it can't handle it.

I agree they are 2 different games now. I prefer the one with more offerings.

Except by team ninja which they did if you follow my link to the GDC video. Itagaki is not the end all be all of gaming.

As for the 4 hit combos. Maybe but guess what ITS FREE ADDED STUFF. If it sucks oh well if it's great. hey there you go. if it's just decent. Still a bonus over the other version. This is no longer a topic as far as I am concerned. more Bosses, more enemies, More weapons, more levels, More characters = Definitive game. They said it and I am too.

Sigma was better then Black in nearly every way. this will do the same.

I will go over each highlight. Practically every single mulitplat game says hello. Like I said, both systems excel in different areas. If I spit on your hamburger, would it make it better? It is free added stuff. Black is better than Sigma. Rachel was a complete waste of time and brought down the quality of the game. No moves and her missions were like 2 minutes long. They also toned-down the difficulty. Puzzles became optional and you were given your best moves way to early in the game.

Re:ninja gaiden, suck or not? (Jinxstar)

Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:59:20 GMT

Mwaan

The 360 and PS3 have different hardware so some changes were made. 360 has more ram so they were able to do all those cool blood effects and leave countless body parts lying on the ground. It was really cool when you were fighting those werewolves and they would pick up limbs and throw them at you. We're looking at two totally different games now. Neither one can be crowned the "definitive" version. For the PS3 version, coop is limited to a "mission" mode and if the first Sigma is anything to go by, all the new characters will have a 4 hit combo and that will be about it. Without the original creator of this game on board, I'm sorry, but this won't be the complete version of his original vision. Instead, it will have some extra things tacked on for the sake of calling it a director's cut or whatever.

Ok I will go over each highlight. Are you saying the PS3 can't handle things as well as the 360? Have you seen the uncharted 2 stage demo at E3? Have you seen god of war 3? Have you seen MGS4? Have you seen KZ2?... Want me to go on? I think they took it out, as stated above by sonarus, other reasons. Not because it can't handle it.

I agree they are 2 different games now. I prefer the one with more offerings.

Except by team ninja which they did if you follow my link to the GDC video. Itagaki is not the end all be all of gaming.

As for the 4 hit combos. Maybe but guess what ITS FREE ADDED STUFF. If it sucks oh well if it's great. hey there you go. if it's just decent. Still a bonus over the other version. This is no longer a topic as far as I am concerned. more Bosses, more enemies, More weapons, more levels, More characters = Definitive game. They said it and I am too.

Sigma was better then Black in nearly every way. this will do the same.

KingVulcan

yep 360 version still looks better you have to be blinded by your fanboyism to not realize that, but it is not a surprise it's a port after all, and i'm not saying the 360 version is superior i'm just saying it looks better.

More content=better looking graphics IMO

Btw i don't really give a **** about "team ninja" since Tomonobu Itagaki along with the best members left

Look... Say what you want bro.

Itagaki was a tool. A tool who made a cool franchise. but a tool.

honestly I say wait until the game is close and we see comparison vids before claiming 360 as the winner in graphics. I may be blind if you say so but to me they are at least equal. hard to tell though for many reasons. I want to see the open daylight areas on the PS3 version in motion so I can compare better but yeah. To each his own.

Re:ninja gaiden, suck or not? (KingVulcan)

Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:44:26 GMT

Jinxstar

KingVulcan

dude watch the link that mwaan posted, the 360 version looks better,

Dude really? Here are some links for you.

http://www.eurogamer.pt/gallery.php?game_id=11308&article_id=638075#anchor

Or even this.

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-09-ninja-gaiden/50071

Now think about it while you watch the Vid. that ENTIRE PART was not in the 360 version. sure limbs disolve into thin air. but these are Demons(As far as i know) So who cares. Look bro to me I don't care about gore but it looks just as good , If not better, then the 360 version. Team ninja have said it will look better. The screens prove it. There are, unfortunately, no comparison vids I could find. Also the game is STILL IN PRODUCTION. So who knows. Either way it is the "definitive" edition.

http://www.co-optimus.com/article/1967/Ninja_Gaiden_2__Sigma__More_Than_Just_A_Port.html

The vid in that link is broke. here it is
http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/ninjagaidensigma2/news.html?sid=6206597&om_act=convert&om_clk=newsfeatures&tag=newsfeatures;title;3

look people will say a lot of things"Co-op is going to make it too easy = lame" Well you don't have to do it and as far as I know it's just specific online missions. It's a FREE option.

"Less gore = lame" well only if you really care. I prefer gameplay.

"It's a port. Those always suck" WRONG again. Watch the GDC vid.

people will tear it down no matter what because it's not on their console. I just want to play the game in it's most complete form and if I lose a few blood pools in the process so be it.

yep 360 version still looks better you have to be blinded by your fanboyism to not realize that, but it is not a surprise it's a port after all, and i'm not saying the 360 version is superior i'm just saying it looks better.

More content=better looking graphics IMO

Btw i don't really give a **** about "team ninja" since Tomonobu Itagaki along with the best members left

Re:ninja gaiden, suck or not? (Mwaan)

Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:43:11 GMT

Jinxstar

KingVulcan

dude watch the link that mwaan posted, the 360 version looks better,

Dude really? Here are some links for you.

http://www.eurogamer.pt/gallery.php?game_id=11308&article_id=638075#anchor

Or even this.

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-09-ninja-gaiden/50071

Now think about it while you watch the Vid. that ENTIRE PART was not in the 360 version. sure limbs disolve into thin air. but these are Demons(As far as i know) So who cares. Look bro to me I don't care about gore but it looks just as good , If not better, then the 360 version. Team ninja have said it will look better. The screens prove it. There are, unfortunately, no comparison vids I could find. Also the game is STILL IN PRODUCTION. So who knows. Either way it is the "definitive" edition.

http://www.co-optimus.com/article/1967/Ninja_Gaiden_2__Sigma__More_Than_Just_A_Port.html

The vid in that link is broke. here it is
http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/ninjagaidensigma2/news.html?sid=6206597&om_act=convert&om_clk=newsfeatures&tag=newsfeatures;title;3

look people will say a lot of things"Co-op is going to make it too easy = lame" Well you don't have to do it and as far as I know it's just specific online missions. It's a FREE option.

"Less gore = lame" well only if you really care. I prefer gameplay.

"It's a port. Those always suck" WRONG again. Watch the GDC vid.

people will tear it down no matter what because it's not on their console. I just want to play the game in it's most complete form and if I lose a few blood pools in the process so be it.

The 360 and PS3 have different hardware so some changes were made. 360 has more ram so they were able to do all those cool blood effects and leave countless body parts lying on the ground. It was really cool when you were fighting those werewolves and they would pick up limbs and throw them at you. We're looking at two totally different games now. Neither one can be crowned the "definitive" version. For the PS3 version, coop is limited to a "mission" mode and if the first Sigma is anything to go by, all the new characters will have a 4 hit combo and that will be about it. Without the original creator of this game on board, I'm sorry, but this won't be the complete version of his original vision. Instead, it will have some extra things tacked on for the sake of calling it a director's cut or whatever.

Re:ninja gaiden, suck or not? (Jinxstar)

Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:20:45 GMT

KingVulcan

dude watch the link that mwaan posted, the 360 version looks better,

Dude really? Here are some links for you.

http://www.eurogamer.pt/gallery.php?game_id=11308&article_id=638075#anchor

Or even this.

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-09-ninja-gaiden/50071

Now think about it while you watch the Vid. that ENTIRE PART was not in the 360 version. sure limbs disolve into thin air. but these are Demons(As far as i know) So who cares. Look bro to me I don't care about gore but it looks just as good , If not better, then the 360 version. Team ninja have said it will look better. The screens prove it. There are, unfortunately, no comparison vids I could find. Also the game is STILL IN PRODUCTION. So who knows. Either way it is the "definitive" edition.

http://www.co-optimus.com/article/1967/Ninja_Gaiden_2__Sigma__More_Than_Just_A_Port.html

The vid in that link is broke. here it is
http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/ninjagaidensigma2/news.html?sid=6206597&om_act=convert&om_clk=newsfeatures&tag=newsfeatures;title;3

look people will say a lot of things"Co-op is going to make it too easy = lame" Well you don't have to do it and as far as I know it's just specific online missions. It's a FREE option.

"Less gore = lame" well only if you really care. I prefer gameplay.

"It's a port. Those always suck" WRONG again. Watch the GDC vid.

people will tear it down no matter what because it's not on their console. I just want to play the game in it's most complete form and if I lose a few blood pools in the process so be it.

- The Corrupt -

BIoodmask

Noobs who have never played Ninja Gaiden suck. Agree/disagree?

I definitely agree. You're not a gamer unless you've played a Ninja Gaiden game. :P

I too for once agree with Bloodmask.

Re:ninja gaiden, suck or not? (- The Corrupt -)

Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:14:15 GMT

BIoodmask

Noobs who have never played Ninja Gaiden suck. Agree/disagree?

I definitely agree. You're not a gamer unless you've played a Ninja Gaiden game. :P

Re:ninja gaiden, suck or not? (sonarus)

Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:08:09 GMT

I was one of the first to notice the toned down gore when the game was first announced and i already complained about it in this thread
http://forums.n4g.com/tm.aspx?m=583666
Official quote was: "Violence is not going to be one of the key selling points of this title... It's not all about how bloody it is." Instead they're going for "a much cooler, cleaner, sleeker look". So you won't see great big spurts of blood, but clouds of purple essence when enemies get dismembered.

I believe the developers feel less gore makes it more appealing for one reason or the other.

As for which one looks better common sense tells you 1 extra yr of development plus the glorious power of the trey makes PS3 version look better automatically. But serioulsy they looked the same to me personally i would say PS3 version looked sharper but that is probably just fanboyism leading me in that direction. It wasn't a side by side comparison and it wasn't even a comparison done in the same spot so lighting conditions are different

Regardless though, extra features and characters and coop makes Niinja Gaiden Sigma 2 >>>> Ninja Gaiden 2
With or without gore

Re:ninja gaiden, suck or not? (KingVulcan)

Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:59:27 GMT

Jinxstar

myspaceisevil

sorry guys for the fanboyish sounding headline but i wanted to know if ninja gaiden 2 was really good or not.
i never owned a ninja game except for one of the old school shinobi games for
genesis.
This fall theres a bunch of games coming out and i have it planned to pick up ratchet and clank, uncharted, M.A.G., and either demon souls or ninja gaiden sigma 2.

i was leaning on sigma 2 but i heard this version isnt bloody like the 360 version.

so to ppl who played ninja gaiden 2...would it be a better choice instead of demon souls even though i never really played ninja style games.

-myspace

Pick up Ninja Gaiden Sigma Cheap. It's a fantastic game. It was my first PS3 game and I still play it from time to time if only the first level to see how high I can get my karma score. The game is insanely unforgiving. Sometimes you will feel cheated due to the camera getting hung up(This was a serious problem when NG2 released on the 360... Dunno if they did patches but supposed to be fixed for the PS3... Or better at least) Then you can make your chopice based on what you see. Demon soul looks cool but they are way different games bro. Demons souls is like oblivion or the witcher while NG is THE Hack and Slash game.

I have yet to play 2 but Sigma 2 is on top of my list above demon souls personally. To each his own though. Demon souls has cool elements but look VERY repetative and I'm not a fan of that. Also having a platinum from Sigma 2 would make you a serious bad a$$ =P

Anyway game on bro.

Edit: My 2 cents is it's much more then a port. it ups everything from more bosses to better graphics to co op to multiple characters. The only thing it lacks(and 360 fans will say this until their eyes bleed) is it lowers the gore factor. I personally can not see how this will effect gameplay at all but if you really want some heavy heavy gore then yeah... Granted the alternate characters gameplay may not be good(I have yet to see otherwise but once again 360 fans will harp on it) but it's still chalked up to additional content in my eyes worth playing.

dude watch the link that mwaan posted, the 360 version looks better,

Re:ninja gaiden, suck or not? (meepmoopmeep)

Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:44:49 GMT

oops