Can someone for the love of god (Wii U related)

Can someone for the love of god explain to the Nintendo fans what GPU computing is? They all seem to believe that the Wii U has a Larrabee in it! 


Is there a knowledgeable PC gamer that is owner of a site and that can write an article explaining this to the poor fools? Because now even sites like ZeldaInformer.com are jumping in and confusing people even more about what GPGPU really is by calling the GPU on the Wii U a GPGPU.

http://www.nvidia.com/obj...-is-gpu-computing.html


I never thought gaming websites were this misinformed to be honest, from now on I'll be more on guard of what I read on this site. I always thought that since they had a site and submitted articles on N4G that they actually knew what they were talking about but it seems that most of them are just as clueless as the average gamer.

For those who don't kno, the CPU is the name of opponent u face in a fighting game when ur playing by urself, and the GPU is the final boss

UnSelf


For those who don't kno, the CPU is the name of opponent u face in a fighting game when ur playing by urself, and the GPU is the final boss

 
        

UnSelf


For those who don't kno, the CPU is the name of opponent u face in a fighting game when ur playing by urself, and the GPU is the final boss

is not a fighting game it is an RPG and it's called: Hyperdimension Neptunia.

And why you guys of N4G forums always try to derail threads with nonsensical replays anyway? That's a really weird behavior if you ask me. Is this supposed to be the "cool thing" on this forum? But at least it keeps the thread up so thanks.   

wishingW3L


Can someone for the love of god explain to the Nintendo fans what GPU computing is? They all seem to believe that the Wii U has a Larrabee in it! 


Is there a knowledgeable PC gamer that is owner of a site and that can write an article explaining this to the poor fools? Because now even sites like ZeldaInformer.com are jumping in and confusing people even more about what GPGPU really is by calling the GPU on the Wii U a GPGPU.

http://www.nvidia.com/obj...-is-gpu-computing.html


I never thought gaming websites were this misinformed to be honest, from now on I'll be more on guard of what I read on this site. I always thought that since they had a site and submitted articles on N4G that they actually knew what they were talking about but it seems that most of them are just as clueless as the average gamer.

Duh. Nintendofans got no clue. That is why they keep buying all that Underpowered low quality crap.


Same with the Wii (overclocked Gamecube), same with the DS (old hardware even at the time it was launched), same with the 3DS (that stuff is ancient, was just sold on gimmick 3D that not even many games use, and one joystick in these days? lmfao!) and the WiiUnderpowered is not any different. The tablet controller is already reviewed as low quality, if one shakes it that thing makes noise as the buttons sound like a rattlesnake and overall the build quality is said to be a budget plastic toy. 


The CPU is just three Wii Broadway CPU's taped together (making sense as the Wii games are running realtime, non emulated, on one core).


That whole system eats 30 watts idle and 35 watts when playing a game. Launching with 'new hardware' that about matches 6 to 7 year old this gen consoles PS360, just at a lower power consumption. That is about it. Nintendo fanboys want to believe this is is really next gen though... 

Can't wait for E3 2013 where once more real next gen will be shown and the WiiUnderpowered will get washed down ports like the Wii got them. The lovely COD on Wii bahahaha

Nutsack

wishingW3L


Can someone for the love of god explain to the Nintendo fans what GPU computing is? They all seem to believe that the Wii U has a Larrabee in it! 


Is there a knowledgeable PC gamer that is owner of a site and that can write an article explaining this to the poor fools? Because now even sites like ZeldaInformer.com are jumping in and confusing people even more about what GPGPU really is by calling the GPU on the Wii U a GPGPU.

http://www.nvidia.com/obj...-is-gpu-computing.html


I never thought gaming websites were this misinformed to be honest, from now on I'll be more on guard of what I read on this site. I always thought that since they had a site and submitted articles on N4G that they actually knew what they were talking about but it seems that most of them are just as clueless as the average gamer.

Can't wait for E3 2013 where once more real next gen will be shown and the WiiUnderpowered will get washed down ports like the Wii got them. The lovely COD on Wii bahahaha

Oi, Sony Fanboy, we've been playing Real Next Gen on PC Master Race for a while now. Get with the program.

ZombieNinjaPanda

Nutsack

wishingW3L


Can someone for the love of god explain to the Nintendo fans what GPU computing is? They all seem to believe that the Wii U has a Larrabee in it! 


Is there a knowledgeable PC gamer that is owner of a site and that can write an article explaining this to the poor fools? Because now even sites like ZeldaInformer.com are jumping in and confusing people even more about what GPGPU really is by calling the GPU on the Wii U a GPGPU.

http://www.nvidia.com/obj...-is-gpu-computing.html


I never thought gaming websites were this misinformed to be honest, from now on I'll be more on guard of what I read on this site. I always thought that since they had a site and submitted articles on N4G that they actually knew what they were talking about but it seems that most of them are just as clueless as the average gamer.

Can't wait for E3 2013 where once more real next gen will be shown and the WiiUnderpowered will get washed down ports like the Wii got them. The lovely COD on Wii bahahaha

Oi, Sony Fanboy, we've been playing Real Next Gen on PC Master Race for a while now. Get with the program.

 


Oh yes that is why we are talking about consoles. A thing that plays games, released and isn't changed nor upgraded during its lifetime. There are basically two choices: 1. Put ancient stuff in it at start and sell it with profit from launch pretty much or 2. Put in high tech hardware, sell it with a slight loss and earn back on games/online.

A console just takes an investment of about 300 to 400 bucks. A good gaming rig costs more than that if you want to stay ahead like you claim, every 1 or 2 year more RAM, another GPU etc.

If you want to compare apples and pears, enjoy. Seems like the PC Master Race has down syndrome.

wishingW3L


since they had a site and submitted articles on N4G that they actually knew what they were talking about 

Nutsack
 

A console just takes an investment of about 300 to 400 bucks. A good gaming rig costs more than that if you want to stay ahead like you claim, every 1 or 2 year more RAM, another GPU etc. 

 

Nutsack
  

 more RAM 

Nutsack
  

every 1 or 2 years

Nutsack
  
every 1 or 2 year more RAM  

 

Nutsack

ZombieNinjaPanda

Nutsack

wishingW3L


Can someone for the love of god explain to the Nintendo fans what GPU computing is? They all seem to believe that the Wii U has a Larrabee in it! 


Is there a knowledgeable PC gamer that is owner of a site and that can write an article explaining this to the poor fools? Because now even sites like ZeldaInformer.com are jumping in and confusing people even more about what GPGPU really is by calling the GPU on the Wii U a GPGPU.

http://www.nvidia.com/obj...-is-gpu-computing.html


I never thought gaming websites were this misinformed to be honest, from now on I'll be more on guard of what I read on this site. I always thought that since they had a site and submitted articles on N4G that they actually knew what they were talking about but it seems that most of them are just as clueless as the average gamer.

Can't wait for E3 2013 where once more real next gen will be shown and the WiiUnderpowered will get washed down ports like the Wii got them. The lovely COD on Wii bahahaha

Oi, Sony Fanboy, we've been playing Real Next Gen on PC Master Race for a while now. Get with the program.

 


Oh yes that is why we are talking about consoles. A thing that plays games, released and isn't changed nor upgraded during its lifetime. There are basically two choices: 1. Put ancient stuff in it at start and sell it with profit from launch pretty much or 2. Put in high tech hardware, sell it with a slight loss and earn back on games/online.

A console just takes an investment of about 300 to 400 bucks. A good gaming rig costs more than that if you want to stay ahead like you claim, every 1 or 2 year more RAM, another GPU etc.

If you want to compare apples and pears, enjoy. Seems like the PC Master Race has down syndrome.

I anticipate the day you get banned. You're quick to personally insult people and the mods don't like that. 


But anyway, you post in your own post "True next gen". Already screaming idiotic fanboy, because next gen doesn't start with graphics, it starts with the next iteration of console released. Oh, what's that? You hate all things Nintendo and are blinded by your own fanboy drivel? "TRUE NEXT GEN" is a leap in graphics to you? Oh okay, so how about the fact that PCs have graphical capabilities many generations beyond what consoles can do, and possibly even future consoles can do (it's funny, you don't even know the specs of any of the upcoming consoles, yet you claim it's "True next gen".


But wait a second, PCs don't count now? So wait, what does count? I"m guessing your inane view on console generations only counts, is that right? I understand Sony fanboys are crazy, but stop making the stereotype even worse for yourself. Your delusion is just boring now. 

OH also I forgot to mention, everything you've posted about the parts, about what you think is upgrading well, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. 

Does anyone think Nutsack is Jmare by any chance? Did Jmare hate Nintendo consoles? If it's Jmare I can wholly forgive his posts.

ZombieNinjaPanda


Does anyone think Nutsack is Jmare by any chance? Did Jmare hate Nintendo consoles? If it's Jmare I can wholly forgive his posts.

Jmare hated everything. As someone who is pretentious and cynical I can vouch for his sake. I don't recall Jmare being so ass to mouth obsessed with petty analysis's that only fool the source. Jmare was more of an open world debater of things borderline nil interesting to the community. 

The Wii U does not use a GPGPU as originally set forth by Nvidia's hardware standard, nor match ATI's hardware standard for an APU. It uses a separate GPU and CPU, But both are mounted on the same substrate [furthermore referenced as a MCM (multi chip module)]; NOT on the same die. An APU is described as a processing device which integrates a CPU and a GPU on the same die. A GPGPU is described as the utilization of a GPU to directly perform CPU related tasks. Which means since each die on the Wii U's MCM performs its originally intended job, the Wii U neither uses APU or GPGPU hardware. **************************************************************************************************************************************************************** While the Wii U's MCM has separated CPU and GPU, it's GPU has some on die eDRAM and the choice of using an MCM clearly points to the urge to create an extremely physically compact and energy efficient design. In fact the entire Wii U system uses approximately the same wattage as a GPU comparable to its own GPU should be proof enough. **************************************************************************************************************************************************************** Let me say that by comparison of the die sizes of the GPU and CPU on the MCM, the GPU was the clear concern for Nintendo, while by comparison the PS3 in particular and even Xbox 360 are far more CPU based both in hardware and software programed for said systems. **************************************************************************************************************************************************************** Although the Wii U does not use the style of hardware directly associated with an APU or GPGPU, some coding could effectively utilize some of the GPU's power to perform traditionally CPU based tasks; much like a reversal of the PS3, just more commonly performed and further standardized in its use outside of gaming. **************************************************************************************************************************************************************** While zeldainformer was outright wrong in calling it a GPGPU, they were somewhat right in mindset, but still I have disdain the fact that they are misinforming the audience and expressing an idea that is stretching the Wii U to be more that what it is. We will still see improvement in Wii U games yet, but not as big a change as first year PS3 multiplatform games to upcoming PS3 exclusives, but there will be improvements and it will take time, money, some really talented programmers (all of which Nintendo has). I really hope this clarifies some things.

ZoyosJD


The Wii U does not use a GPGPU as originally set forth by Nvidia's hardware standard, nor match ATI's hardware standard for an APU. It uses a separate GPU and CPU, But both are mounted on the same substrate [furthermore referenced as a MCM (multi chip module)]; NOT on the same die. An APU is described as a processing device which integrates a CPU and a GPU on the same die. A GPGPU is described as the utilization of a GPU to directly perform CPU related tasks. Which means since each die on the Wii U's MCM performs its originally intended job, the Wii U neither uses APU or GPGPU hardware. 


While the Wii U's MCM has separated CPU and GPU, it's GPU has some on die eDRAM and the choice of using an MCM clearly points to the urge to create an extremely physically compact and energy efficient design. In fact the entire Wii U system uses approximately the same wattage as a GPU comparable to its own GPU should be proof enough. 




 Let me say that by comparison of the die sizes of the GPU and CPU on the MCM, the GPU was the clear concern for Nintendo, while by comparison the PS3 in particular and even Xbox 360 are far more CPU based both in hardware and software programed for said systems. 


Although the Wii U does not use the style of hardware directly associated with an APU or GPGPU, some coding could effectively utilize some of the GPU's power to perform traditionally CPU based tasks; much like a reversal of the PS3, just more commonly performed and further standardized in its use outside of gaming. 




While zeldainformer was outright wrong in calling it a GPGPU, they were somewhat right in mindset, but still I have disdain the fact that they are misinforming the audience and expressing an idea that is stretching the Wii U to be more that what it is. We will still see improvement in Wii U games yet, but not as big a change as first year PS3 multiplatform games to upcoming PS3 exclusives, but there will be improvements and it will take time, money, some really talented programmers (all of which Nintendo has). I really hope this clarifies some things.

There, I fixed that for you

ZombieNinjaPanda


But wait a second, PCs don't count now? So wait, what does count? I"m guessing your inane view on console generations only counts, is that right? I understand Sony fanboys are crazy, but stop making the stereotype even worse for yourself. Your delusion is just boring now. 

As narrow minded as it is, I have to agree with nutsack. We want you to play your games on your PC and enjoy the killer graphics. For us, it's almost entirely irrelevant. It's like we're talking about whose going to win the Superbowl and your bringing up rugby. 


I like nice graphics, who doesn't? There's just no way in hell I'm using a mouse and keyboard to play games. Not to mention, using the work/jerk off station to play video games? Ugh. It's like your wife getting a job where you work. When they're seperate entities they're great, but you can't mix 'em. 

Welcome to next gen:

LOL... sorry about the format. N4G wont space my paragraphs and that was one wall'o text.

NeverEnding1989

ZombieNinjaPanda


But wait a second, PCs don't count now? So wait, what does count? I"m guessing your inane view on console generations only counts, is that right? I understand Sony fanboys are crazy, but stop making the stereotype even worse for yourself. Your delusion is just boring now. 

As narrow minded as it is, I have to agree with nutsack. We want you to play your games on your PC and enjoy the killer graphics. For us, it's almost entirely irrelevant. It's like we're talking about whose going to win the Superbowl and your bringing up rugby. 


I like nice graphics, who doesn't? There's just no way in hell I'm using a mouse and keyboard to play games. Not to mention, using the work/jerk off station to play video games? Ugh. It's like your wife getting a job where you work. When they're seperate entities they're great, but you can't mix 'em. 

Well considering that consoles are now social media hubs, your entire argument just flew out the window. Not to mention the rumors that the next iteration are becoming even more casualized with that social interaction crap. More PS Home, more Xbox Avatars and more facebook integration. Not to mention those web browsers the consoles now have. 


Like it or not, PCs are just as much a part of the gaming community (whatever you wanna call it) as consoles (a pc is considered a console, is it not?) are. They just allow you more freedom and power. 

ZombieNinjaPanda

Nutsack

ZombieNinjaPanda

Nutsack

wishingW3L


Can someone for the love of god explain to the Nintendo fans what GPU computing is? They all seem to believe that the Wii U has a Larrabee in it! 


Is there a knowledgeable PC gamer that is owner of a site and that can write an article explaining this to the poor fools? Because now even sites like ZeldaInformer.com are jumping in and confusing people even more about what GPGPU really is by calling the GPU on the Wii U a GPGPU.

http://www.nvidia.com/obj...-is-gpu-computing.html


I never thought gaming websites were this misinformed to be honest, from now on I'll be more on guard of what I read on this site. I always thought that since they had a site and submitted articles on N4G that they actually knew what they were talking about but it seems that most of them are just as clueless as the average gamer.

Can't wait for E3 2013 where once more real next gen will be shown and the WiiUnderpowered will get washed down ports like the Wii got them. The lovely COD on Wii bahahaha

Oi, Sony Fanboy, we've been playing Real Next Gen on PC Master Race for a while now. Get with the program.

 


Oh yes that is why we are talking about consoles. A thing that plays games, released and isn't changed nor upgraded during its lifetime. There are basically two choices: 1. Put ancient stuff in it at start and sell it with profit from launch pretty much or 2. Put in high tech hardware, sell it with a slight loss and earn back on games/online.

A console just takes an investment of about 300 to 400 bucks. A good gaming rig costs more than that if you want to stay ahead like you claim, every 1 or 2 year more RAM, another GPU etc.

If you want to compare apples and pears, enjoy. Seems like the PC Master Race has down syndrome.

I anticipate the day you get banned. You're quick to personally insult people and the mods don't like that. 


But anyway, you post in your own post "True next gen". Already screaming idiotic fanboy, because next gen doesn't start with graphics, it starts with the next iteration of console released. Oh, what's that? You hate all things Nintendo and are blinded by your own fanboy drivel? "TRUE NEXT GEN" is a leap in graphics to you? Oh okay, so how about the fact that PCs have graphical capabilities many generations beyond what consoles can do, and possibly even future consoles can do (it's funny, you don't even know the specs of any of the upcoming consoles, yet you claim it's "True next gen".


But wait a second, PCs don't count now? So wait, what does count? I"m guessing your inane view on console generations only counts, is that right? I understand Sony fanboys are crazy, but stop making the stereotype even worse for yourself. Your delusion is just boring now. 

OH also I forgot to mention, everything you've posted about the parts, about what you think is upgrading well, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. 

Does anyone think Nutsack is Jmare by any chance? Did Jmare hate Nintendo consoles? If it's Jmare I can wholly forgive his posts.

Next gen should be a jump in hardware CPU/GPU big enough to at least get new steps in games too. We saw this with last gen XBOX/PS2 to this gen 360/PS3. Because of the jump in power of the hardware, games got better too. Better physics, environments that got interactive/destructible (more so than just a game like Black last gen) etc etc.

What Nintendo did, starting with their Wii, was staying in the 480p era or better said last gen, and adding a motion controller that didn't change that much in their games. The main action and the good games were still played with buttons mainly. Not next gen. If they'd released the Wiimote for the Gamecube, we'd had pretty much the same kind of games. 

Same story for WiiUnderpowered, it gives games on consoles that are the same as on PS360. Selling on yet more a gimmick controller. So no, true next gen isn't just the shiny graphics and resolution, it is about the power that is there for better physics, more enemies on screen, more intensive gameplay because of that and such. Basically being able to make better games. Where developers get CHALLENGED to use that hardware. ANd not just make another clone of the same games. Heck, this is why Nintendo keeps copying the same games with the same gameplay over and over on the consoles. New Super Mario Bros on Wii, basically the same game on WiiUnderpowered. It is a straight clone. 

Furthermore, getting a console that just upgrades to this gens PS360 in power, automatically makes it less futureproof. It means that when real next gen is here, announced at E3 2013 with PSOrbis/Xbox 8, the WIiUnderpowered will once more get the weak ports the Wii got this gen. I don't know about you, but once more it'll position itself just being good for the 1st party games of Nintendo only. 

Why consoles are different from PC's is because of the fixed hardware. If you call on PC's beating consoles and a master race, then yes you compare the wrong stuff with each other. It is just as stupid as comparing tablets/phones with dedicated handheld consoles like 3DS and PSVita. They are different beasts, do different things, play different games. Like on the touch devices there are hardly real games with intense gameplay. In that view, yes if you try to get in a PC being more powerful as it is constantly upgradable... DUH.
It is logic to compare the consoles, compare the handhelds, compare the touchdevices. If you can't understand that, keep comparing apples and pears. Sony fanboy? hahaha gotta love N4G users. I own two 360's, two PS3's, a Wii, PSP's and a PSVita this gen. I dislike Nintendo's steps they took after the N64/Gamecube. It is funny how people make wrong conclusions. 

And Sherlock, you seem closeminded. No clue who Jmare is, but the way you speak you are probably as bad as that guy.

ZombieNinjaPanda
 

Well considering that consoles are now social media hubs, your entire argument just flew out the window. Not to mention the rumors that the next iteration are becoming even more casualized with that social interaction crap. More PS Home, more Xbox Avatars and more facebook integration. Not to mention those web browsers the consoles now have.  

Like it or not, PCs are just as much a part of the gaming community (whatever you wanna call it) as consoles (a pc is considered a console, is it not?) are. They just allow you more freedom and power. 

Ummm no. That's the thing, I don't even have an argument. What I said was 100% fact, from my personal opinion as a console gamer. 

But for the record PS home, avatars, Facebook, Twitter, internet browsing, etc. I don't do on my consoles. Tried them all once and that was more than enough. 

It seems obvious that handheld gaming will be entirely on cellphones one day, but I wonder what the future of consoles is. Drifting more towards PC like makes sense, but as PC game sales show you don't make nearly enough money as the console alternative. 

IMO I think the PC will be moved to the couch, and not the console moved to the desk. I could see doing my daily PC activities in my living room like Tom Cruise does in Minority Report.

Welcome to next gen:

NeverEnding1989


What I said was 100% fact, from my personal opinion as a console gamer.  

http://n4g.com/channel/vanquish_xbox-360/userreview/516010 (Vanquish review)

coolbeans

NeverEnding1989


What I said was 100% fact, from my personal opinion as a console gamer.  

Your face is a much better reply then any words could say. Nutsack could keep that in mind.

What I mean is that's the way I'm viewing it, a console gamer most likely representative of the average console gamer. I'm aware of the pro's of PC gaming, but they are irrelevant for me which takes the option out of the equation entirely.

This huge disconnect between console and PC is making me consider writing a blog. 

Welcome to next gen:

1- If  vastly superior graphics do not define any kind of generational leap in gaming, then console peasants have nothing to envy from the PC M.R.

2-If they indeed are an indicator, the following distinction has to be made:

¿Would you consider an intel i7 based console as "next gen" if said console played ONLY mobile iOS mini games and not one original IP?

¿Would you consider "next gen" a console based on gesture recognition but with poor hardware and a scarce and mediocre game list?

¿Does the term "next gen" slips in your mind when you think of 360/PS3 ports with slightly worse framerate? I think not

If any of these things fail, then the thing does not feel like a "true next gen" experience, hence

"next gen" as in Graphics,
"next gen" as in Gameplay,
"next gen" as in Games.

they may be experienced separately.

WiiU is not next gen graphics, sure, it belongs historically to the 8th generation of game consoles, but you guys have got to be kidding to debate whether or not it is "true next gen", the samaritan demo was a taste of what's to come whereas the WiiU is a 30watt dildo.