Better picture and framerate with 1080i!

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Better picture and framerate with 1080i! - Monday, December 17, 2012 4:28 AM ( #1 )
i don't know why but i get a better picture and a smoother framerate in several games on Wii U, 360 and PS3 when i switch to 1080i instead of 1080p (i have a Samsung LED 40").

i tested it yesterday with Mass Effect 3 on Wii U ... there is some occasional stuttering on the Citadel on 1080p ... after switching to 1080i everything runs smooth. 

the same happens with Skyrim (360), Halo 4 and Killzone 3 ... it's great to have a smoother experience but i don't know why "i" is better than "p"!?!





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Re:Better picture and framerate with 1080i! - Monday, December 17, 2012 5:03 AM ( #2 )
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i don't know why but i get a better picture and a smoother framerate in several games on Wii U, 360 and PS3 when i switch to 1080i instead of 1080p (i have a Samsung LED 40").

i tested it yesterday with Mass Effect 3 on Wii U ... there is some occasional stuttering on the Citadel on 1080p ... after switching to 1080i everything runs smooth. 

the same happens with Skyrim (360), Halo 4 and Killzone 3 ... it's great to have a smoother experience but i don't know why "i" is better than "p"!?!



'i' isn't better than 'p'


Interlaced is done by software faking you optically. What it does is displaying 576p or something very fast with different lines build up, so for your eyes it is so fast it projects as one '1080' lines. For your console, if its either WiiU, 360 or PS3, it is much easier to produce 576p than 1080p at the same time, so stuff seems to get smoother as there is a lower pressure on the systems hardware. The weakness of the human eye does the rest. If your eyes would be better though, you could experience ghosting faster on 1080i than on 1080p, but that is something else than you experience now as 1080p is 'stuttering' more because the framerate dips probably under 20 to 30 fps in those games. Where the 1080i remains outputting a higher framerate.
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Re:Better picture and framerate with 1080i! - Monday, December 17, 2012 6:09 AM ( #3 )
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i don't know why but i get a better picture and a smoother framerate in several games on Wii U, 360 and PS3 when i switch to 1080i instead of 1080p (i have a Samsung LED 40").

i tested it yesterday with Mass Effect 3 on Wii U ... there is some occasional stuttering on the Citadel on 1080p ... after switching to 1080i everything runs smooth. 

the same happens with Skyrim (360), Halo 4 and Killzone 3 ... it's great to have a smoother experience but i don't know why "i" is better than "p"!?!



'i' isn't better than 'p'


Interlaced is done by software faking you optically. What it does is displaying 576p or something very fast with different lines build up, so for your eyes it is so fast it projects as one '1080' lines. For your console, if its either WiiU, 360 or PS3, it is much easier to produce 576p than 1080p at the same time, so stuff seems to get smoother as there is a lower pressure on the systems hardware. The weakness of the human eye does the rest. If your eyes would be better though, you could experience ghosting faster on 1080i than on 1080p, but that is something else than you experience now as 1080p is 'stuttering' more because the framerate dips probably under 20 to 30 fps in those games. Where the 1080i remains outputting a higher framerate.





thank you for the info! finally there's a way to get a better framerate!
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Re:Better picture and framerate with 1080i! - Monday, December 17, 2012 6:27 AM ( #4 )
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If you want to read more about interlaced and progressive, google around a bit although it is technical talk, all that matters is what you experience with the eye.

Remember though: most games are 720p, even on WiiU... So you might even put it in 720p mode forced on the console, not 1080i. Maybe you won't get the stuttering/bad framerate then either (as you experience on 1080p), because your consoles don't have to upscale from 720p to 1080p. BTW, the 360 should be able to do a better job in upscaling than PS3 by the way, because of the 360's hardware ANA chip upscaling which is pretty good in doing it.

Try to run it in 720p mode on the console, and another thing you could try is have your TV upscale it from 720p to 1080i or p, as the post processing then is done with the hardware in the TV, not stressing your console. It depends though on the upscaling hardware in the TV if that works fine or will produce stuff like ghosting/other side effect(s).

But it is worth a try and see what will give you the best result for the eyes
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Re:Better picture and framerate with 1080i! - Monday, December 17, 2012 8:43 AM ( #5 )
Yes, you will get a better framerate with 1080i because you are only drawing half the resolution per frame

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Re:Better picture and framerate with 1080i! - Monday, December 17, 2012 10:15 AM ( #6 )
by fact an interlaced signal should give you a worse quality image while progressive is not only faster but renders the image all at once in one pass so it has less artifacts too. But games are rendered at 720p (many like COD are not even 720) and not 1080 so it's only logical that 1080i is faster than 1080p because it's less work for the upscaler. 

PS3 has software upscaler so 720p native will always look much cleaner and faster if you let the TV do the upscaling instead of forcing the 1080 i/p on the console. Xbox has hardware upscaler so you can just let it do everything by itself but I don't know what method the Wii U uses so I cant't tell you about that one.
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Re:Better picture and framerate with 1080i! - Monday, December 17, 2012 2:39 PM ( #7 )
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Re:Better picture and framerate with 1080i! - Tuesday, December 18, 2012 2:55 AM ( #8 )
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