Will there be a Microsoft-less world?

thebudgetgamer


Sony completely changed the perception from gaming being a kiddie thing to something everyone can do. That's pretty important.

Really? PC, Nintendo, Sega, Atari, were all platforms that have had violent mature video games long before Sony. 


Doom, Quake, Mortal Kombat, Primal Rage, etc. Sony hasn't done a damn thing no one else has already done. 

Eiffel

thebudgetgamer


Sony completely changed the perception from gaming being a kiddie thing to something everyone can do. That's pretty important.

Really? PC, Nintendo, Sega, Atari, were all platforms that have had violent mature video games long before Sony. 


Doom, Quake, Mortal Kombat, Primal Rage, etc. Sony hasn't done a damn thing no one else has already done. 

It's not about games being hardcore, for a long time if you were over a certain age and admitted to playing games people looked at you weird, now it's very common for people in their 40's and 50's to be gamers it became main stream and Sony pushed that.

thebudgetgamer

Eiffel

thebudgetgamer


Sony completely changed the perception from gaming being a kiddie thing to something everyone can do. That's pretty important.

Really? PC, Nintendo, Sega, Atari, were all platforms that have had violent mature video games long before Sony. 


Doom, Quake, Mortal Kombat, Primal Rage, etc. Sony hasn't done a damn thing no one else has already done. 

It's not about games being hardcore, for a long time if you were over a certain age and admitted to playing games people looked at you weird, now it's very common for people in their 40's and 50's to be gamers it became main stream and Sony pushed that.

 


I don't think that is common, and I certainly don't think Sony pushed that.

thebudgetgamer

Eiffel

thebudgetgamer


Sony completely changed the perception from gaming being a kiddie thing to something everyone can do. That's pretty important.

Really? PC, Nintendo, Sega, Atari, were all platforms that have had violent mature video games long before Sony. 


Doom, Quake, Mortal Kombat, Primal Rage, etc. Sony hasn't done a damn thing no one else has already done. 

It's not about games being hardcore, for a long time if you were over a certain age and admitted to playing games people looked at you weird, now it's very common for people in their 40's and 50's to be gamers it became main stream and Sony pushed that.

I don't know what backwards ass place you lived in, but kids played and embraced video games from what you consider kiddie to the mature themes. It replaced comics as the new age cool thing to do, my brother was born fourteen years before me, so even into the early 80's he was playing games long before and was never looked at for being weird for doing so. It was the new thing, and even then they had violent video games and from their perspective for the technology at the time, it was no less to them what it is to us now. Sony had no push on the market as far as mature games go. People were doing it long before Sony, the content simply developed over time and branched due to popularity and developer interests in more mature themes. 

Eiffel

thebudgetgamer

Eiffel

thebudgetgamer


Sony completely changed the perception from gaming being a kiddie thing to something everyone can do. That's pretty important.

Really? PC, Nintendo, Sega, Atari, were all platforms that have had violent mature video games long before Sony. 


Doom, Quake, Mortal Kombat, Primal Rage, etc. Sony hasn't done a damn thing no one else has already done. 

It's not about games being hardcore, for a long time if you were over a certain age and admitted to playing games people looked at you weird, now it's very common for people in their 40's and 50's to be gamers it became main stream and Sony pushed that.

I don't know what backwards ass place you lived in, but kids played and embraced video games from what you consider kiddie to the mature themes. It replaced comics as the new age cool thing to do, my brother was born fourteen years before me, so even into the early 80's he was playing games long before and was never looked at for being weird for doing so. It was the new thing, and even then they had violent video games and from their perspective for the technology at the time, it was no less to them what it is to us now. Sony had no push on the market as far as mature games go. People were doing it long before Sony, the content simply developed over time and branched due to popularity and developer interests in more mature themes. 

Again I said nothing about how violent games were, only the general perception of people outside of the know had on gaming and who plays them. I'm from Rochester NY.

Microsoft have brought many interesting games (especially with the original Xbox actually) that its competitor's consoles didn't have the power or the inclination to do justice to. And the Kinect was a great idea with fun games. From a presentation viewpoint they got the Xbox360 right from the start whereas the PS3's was originally just a bit dull.
 
But , as with the PS2, Sony get it right in the end - they're involved in so many more types of entertainment- movies, cameras, music studio, TVs and Bluray. When they create an exclusive, they aren't tempted to make it available on PC.
 
To me, Sony seem to be on a roll right now with a creative line up of games - (see Papa and Yo, The Unfinished Swan, The Last of Us and Puppeteer shortly) it's almost like Sega's great Dreamcast days only with the security of sales and a broad enough range of third party software support.
 
There's something a bit classier about Sony. Their hardware looks and sounds more refined. Their marketing tends to be more surrealist. This can turn in to too-early overblown hype at the start of each of their console generations. But you remember it and , once you can afford it, it may make it seem like you're getting more for your money - and at the price the PS3 currently costs and with free online, inbuilt Bluray player and the Playstation store you arguably are.
 
But it shouldn't be forgotten that the Xbox brand is synonomous with many people with being more FUN. Even the early Xbox360 games like Perfect Dark and Kameo , courtesy of Rare, were bright and irreverent. Microsoft need to keep hold of this sense and they always need to have a little bit of a feel of being the youthful 'new kid on the block' in console gaming. That is something that Sony has been hit and miss at until very recently, when the Move slowly expanded their line up of youthful games.    
 
Microsoft need to stay bright, colourful, irreverent and fun if they are to compete with Sony. They need to utterly surprise with their off the wall gaming ideas in ways that make Sony look black and white by comparison. 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
 

wishingW3L


TL;DR  but it'd be good if M$ dropped out the console race, they are not needed here. 

I'm just imagining PSN if Xbox Live didn't do it first. I picture it similar to the online Halo 2 had (that may be too generous). 

Competition is good.

Welcome to next gen:

thebudgetgamer

Sony completely changed the perception from gaming being a kiddie thing to something everyone can do. That's pretty important. 

What did Sony do to change that perception?


The public perception changed because over time, the people who played video games had grown up and became part of the adult public.
Sony's contribution is just that it happened to be the popular console at the time. If anything, Microsoft is the one that pushed gaming into the social domain with xbox live.

If it wasn't for Sony and the PS2 gaming wouldn't be the multi billion dollar industry it is today, after all Sony pushed microsoft to put the xbox out. Like it or not Nintendo console are on the whole much more kiddie then PS or xbox, that's not to say it's a bad thing, but that just the reality. The PC always had mature games, but Sony pushed games like MGS, GTA, GT, or even sports games like fifa/madden. 

I don't even know why we're talking about this, completely off topic, but i guess the trolls couldn't help coming out to play. 

OT: I think MS will be fine, i do think the PC market is gonna shrink, but i can't see it completely going away. 

Satanas



I don't think that is common, and I certainly don't think Sony pushed that.

What he said.


OT: Microsoft is not as limited as some seem to think they are. Windows not only dominates the PC market in terms of general public, but also worldwide companies, governments and state offices. Entire nations are powered by windows, office, sharepoint, .net etc. The world would literally stop without Microsoft. 


Not only that, but this (generally) common framework does in fact enable users, be they individuals or governments, to act in a globalized economy and political sphere. Giving this up, fragmenting the tools by which this world is run would probably be too costly, which is why it'll never happen.


Expecting this to change anytime soon, I think, is crazy.

Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.

Kon


Take this guy away from here.

But he speaks the truth!

On topic, i could see them exiting the console business after next gen depending on how it goes.

MS spent $60 million on just Halo 4, imagine what they'll spend on 5 and 6. Add all the money they've spent on marketing this gen, including promoting third party games, Kinect sales dropping off sharply in their second year, all of those refurbishments and there's probably a lot of costs we don't know about. I don't know how much they make per console, but considering how much they spend they need to make a fair amount per console.

Xbox live has been MS's lifeline.

You can spend all day speculating about how different the industry would be had Sony never entered in, but what we do know is that without Sony gaming wouldn't be taken as serious as it is today. Just look at what games were on Saturn, what games were on 64, and what games were on the Ps1. 

UnSelf


You can spend all day speculating about how different the industry would be had Sony never entered in, but what we do know is that without Sony gaming wouldn't be taken as serious as it is today. Just look at what games were on Saturn, what games were on 64, and what games were on the Ps1. 

Shots fired! 

NeverEnding1989

wishingW3L


TL;DR  but it'd be good if M$ dropped out the console race, they are not needed here. 

I'm just imagining PSN if Xbox Live didn't do it first. I picture it similar to the online Halo 2 had (that may be too generous). 

Competition is good.

I was just trolling. My target was Kon but different people kept replaying and I had to abort the mission.   

wishingW3L

NeverEnding1989

wishingW3L


TL;DR  but it'd be good if M$ dropped out the console race, they are not needed here. 

I'm just imagining PSN if Xbox Live didn't do it first. I picture it similar to the online Halo 2 had (that may be too generous). 

Competition is good.

I was just trolling. My target was Kon but different people kept replaying and I had to abort the mission.   

Don't sweat it.  Ubiquitous is just piss easy to get.

Whoooop

wishingW3L

NeverEnding1989

wishingW3L


TL;DR  but it'd be good if M$ dropped out the console race, they are not needed here. 

I'm just imagining PSN if Xbox Live didn't do it first. I picture it similar to the online Halo 2 had (that may be too generous). 

Competition is good.

I was just trolling. My target was Kon but different people kept replaying and I had to abort the mission.   

Don't sweat it.  Ubiquitous is just piss easy to get.

Protip: if you want to get at znp say something about Nintendo. 

wishingW3L
 

I was just trolling. My target was Kon but different people kept replaying and I had to abort the mission.    

 

Well played, sir. 

Whoooop


Don't sweat it.  Ubiquitous is just piss easy to get.

lol. You're quickly becoming the next goflyakite. Showing up on N4G for the sole purpose of talking about me

Contribute to the conversation, Whop!

Welcome to next gen:

You see? Piss easy.

I don't see how Call of Duty , Battle Field , Burnout and ect. can be considered more of a Mature/Hardcore game than Castlevania 1-3 on NES.
I would even say  Goof Troop on the SNES had a deeper more complex experience than games that use Quicktime events.

I mean, ask yourself what makes a hardcore game.
720p+ graphics? 
If that's truly what you think then I can say with utmost certainty that you are objectively wrong.

a hardcore game is a game with depth and requires thought to play, not instant gratification.

Only children needs obvious praise and adult would know the difference between a challenge and ... well... +400 DOUBLE KILL + 1200 HEADSHOT +2400 MULTIKILL

Whoooop


You see? Piss easy.

LOOOL.