Software sales WiiU very, very low

redDevil87



@Satanas . . . It would be interesting to see what someone who works at a game store thinks of the name "WiiU". I bet they've had countless enquires about people wanting to buy, "the new Wii controller." Calling it the WiiU was one of the dumbest things Nintendo did, they should have at least changed the logo design and colours. 


The ads for the console also got removed from TV. The off play feature was advertised  in games that didn't use it, so they were pulled. 

They should have given it a completely different name, or if they were going to stick with "Wii" (which is already horrendous), they should have called it "Wii 2". "U" is far too ambiguous. It is akin to walking into a store and hearing about the PlayStation Eye, which is as likely to be the name for a console over a random device as the "Wii U". Terrible naming scheme, and sub-par marketing.


As for the games, Nintendo Direct served fairly well to show us that there are games on the horizon, but it was mostly stuff we knew about aside from Yoshi's Yarn and Xenoblade 2 (both of which look incredible). E3 is really where Nintendo needs to do something

Satanas

redDevil87


Edit: The marketing for the WiiU is pretty bad. I bet people don't even know what games are available for the console. Walk into most stores and the 360 and PS3 sections have all the shelf space. Nintendo need to do more work with retailers to push their stuff.

I still feel like the mainstream doesn't even know what it is. For a very long time I thought it was a new controller for the Wii/a portable Wii. Perhaps it's the terrible naming scheme, "Wii U". I mean come on. What a f//king terrible name.

And worst thing has yet to come, the announcement of PS4/720 and their release later this year...

Don't forget about the Wii and how it did with the 360 and PS3. The Wii U will be defined by software later on in the game (whether the software is good or terrible remains to be seen), not the prowess of its hardware. That wasn't the case this generation and everyone knows how the Wii did in the end-game.

One little difference... The Wii instantly sold like hot cakes. Furthermore, the Wii started at a lower price too, 250 bucks with a game packed. Third, it came with motion control as standard.


The WiiU with a game comes for 350, and the screen on a controller doesn't give the same buzz feeling that Wiimote gave. People know screens on a controller already from 3DS or PSVita, although that those aren't home console systems, the tablet controller isn't as appealing to the casuals as the Wiimote was.


Why? Because the casual moms and grandparents had no problem swinging that Wiimote in Wiisports. Now that same group of people don't get normal controllers. What the tablet controller basically is. Heck, its even more complicated than a normal game controller as it adds the touch to normal controls.


I do think the power of the hardware defines how the WiiU does, as Nintendo said this system is for the more hardcore gamer, not the casual one. As we all know the casual one doesn't care what hardware is inside. The hardcore gamer on the other hand does.

Anyone seen this? http://www.neogaf.com/for./showthread.php?t=512515



At DICE, nobody has been talking about the new Wii U projects they have started, only the Wii U projects that have just been cancelled.


Platform is in serious trouble.


Publishers and developers from the US, UK, France, Germany, and Australia mainly.


Pubs and devs never recoiled from PS3 like they seem to be with Wii U (though this is anecdotal). There was always the confidence that the numbers would get there over time with PS3. I'm not sensing that with Wii U.


I had a data point yesterday at lunch with a high budget Wii U game that was hoping to sell "millions" over time. It only managed "tens of thousands".

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Satanas

redDevil87


Edit: The marketing for the WiiU is pretty bad. I bet people don't even know what games are available for the console. Walk into most stores and the 360 and PS3 sections have all the shelf space. Nintendo need to do more work with retailers to push their stuff.

I still feel like the mainstream doesn't even know what it is. For a very long time I thought it was a new controller for the Wii/a portable Wii. Perhaps it's the terrible naming scheme, "Wii U". I mean come on. What a f//king terrible name.

And worst thing has yet to come, the announcement of PS4/720 and their release later this year...

Don't forget about the Wii and how it did with the 360 and PS3. The Wii U will be defined by software later on in the game (whether the software is good or terrible remains to be seen), not the prowess of its hardware. That wasn't the case this generation and everyone knows how the Wii did in the end-game.

One little difference... The Wii instantly sold like hot cakes. Furthermore, the Wii started at a lower price too, 250 bucks with a game packed. Third, it came with motion control as standard.


The WiiU with a game comes for 350, and the screen on a controller doesn't give the same buzz feeling that Wiimote gave. People know screens on a controller already from 3DS or PSVita, although that those aren't home console systems, the tablet controller isn't as appealing to the casuals as the Wiimote was.


Why? Because the casual moms and grandparents had no problem swinging that Wiimote in Wiisports. Now that same group of people don't get normal controllers. What the tablet controller basically is. Heck, its even more complicated than a normal game controller as it adds the touch to normal controls.


I do think the power of the hardware defines how the WiiU does, as Nintendo said this system is for the more hardcore gamer, not the casual one. As we all know the casual one doesn't care what hardware is inside. The hardcore gamer on the other hand does.

I see where you're coming from and I agree with a lot of it. But I still stand by exactly what I said - the Wii U will be defined by its software later on in the game. Which right now, is lacking. There isn't any compelling reason to buy a Wii U right now, and that was the same problem the PS3 had (also, a ridiculous pricepoint).


Having said that I agree that the thing is more targeted to the "core" than the last system and that's why I got one, in addition to the PS4 that I'd get when it lands. Bayonetta 2, 3D Mario, Zelda, Yoshi's Yarn and Metroid are already more exclusives than I could say I cared for on the PS3 or 360. I'd say a lot of Nintendo's install base buys the console for select Nintendo titles as it is - problem is, none of those games are around at the moment.

The Wii's success was a fluke. A fad that lasted much longer than I thought it would. I knew it wouldn't carry over to their next unit. The casuals they milked for quick cash as they turned their backs on core gamers are already onto the next thing, their smartphones and tablets. Short term success, long term ruin.

Megaton


The Wii's success was a fluke. A fad that lasted much longer than I thought it would. I knew it wouldn't carry over to their next unit. The casuals they milked for quick cash as they turned their backs on core gamers are already onto the next thing, their smartphones and tablets. Short term success, long term ruin.

100 million sales is a pretty ridiculously massive fluke. Either way, I didn't like the Wii for the same reasons as most people, and I'm a lot happier with the Wii U's controller.

 Not surprising. Even Aliens: Colonial Marines doesn't have a firm Wii U release date yet! But I will get one after price drop + good first party games, as with Wii and Gamecube. I'm guessing the first game I get will be Wind Waker HD

Satanas

Megaton


The Wii's success was a fluke. A fad that lasted much longer than I thought it would. I knew it wouldn't carry over to their next unit. The casuals they milked for quick cash as they turned their backs on core gamers are already onto the next thing, their smartphones and tablets. Short term success, long term ruin.

100 million sales is a pretty ridiculously massive fluke. Either way, I didn't like the Wii for the same reasons as most people, and I'm a lot happier with the Wii U's controller.

There is a good thing about the Wii though. It can be softmodded to run emulators. This way it is the only system that plays Duck Hunt on an LCD/LED TV with the Wiimote/infrared bar as the original light gun technique doesn't work on other TV's than CRT :P


But I've had my fix with SMG, New Super Mario Bros, Donkey Kong etc on the Wii for now, don't need another Nintendo system for another round of rehashing same old but then in HD. As it looks now, at least from rumors PS4 being the strongest console and as a current PS+ member that'll get PS4 stuff too, that is the first next gen system I'll get. The next Xbox will follow, if MS is able to produce a game that grabbed my attention like Gears 1 MP did for a long time in online MP.

Maan it'd be sad to see Nintendo run out of business after Wii U. It's the only start up gaming company left. Sony and MS jumped in quite late comparatively. 

Plus I hope this doesn't scare off Sony/MS in making big investments on their next-gen consoles. 

Seems alot of people are hyped for Colonial marines. I tell you now it'll be mediocre.

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Satanas

Megaton


The Wii's success was a fluke. A fad that lasted much longer than I thought it would. I knew it wouldn't carry over to their next unit. The casuals they milked for quick cash as they turned their backs on core gamers are already onto the next thing, their smartphones and tablets. Short term success, long term ruin.

100 million sales is a pretty ridiculously massive fluke. Either way, I didn't like the Wii for the same reasons as most people, and I'm a lot happier with the Wii U's controller.

There is a good thing about the Wii though. It can be softmodded to run emulators. This way it is the only system that plays Duck Hunt on an LCD/LED TV with the Wiimote/infrared bar as the original light gun technique doesn't work on other TV's than CRT :P


But I've had my fix with SMG, New Super Mario Bros, Donkey Kong etc on the Wii for now, don't need another Nintendo system for another round of rehashing same old but then in HD. As it looks now, at least from rumors PS4 being the strongest console and as a current PS+ member that'll get PS4 stuff too, that is the first next gen system I'll get. The next Xbox will follow, if MS is able to produce a game that grabbed my attention like Gears 1 MP did for a long time in online MP.

 


Guess I'm on the exact opposite boat as you. I haven't had my Nintendo "fix" since the N64, which is still my favourite console that I own, better than both the Xbox 1 and PS3. I didn't go with the Gamecube because at that point in time I was sort of fixated on the pure power of Microsoft's machine (and Halo CE), and I actually actively dislike the Wii and motion control (the PS Move and Kinect I view even more negatively). But the Wii U is an idea I actually like, and I've had good fun with mine so far as far as NSMBU and the (very) few other games I've played have gone. Even if Nintendo seriously screws up this gen, I'll be fine with their first party titles, because frankly I don't really expect much else to catch my attention. It's just fortunate that random great stuff like Xenoblade 2 and Bayonetta 2 happen to be on the horizon to sweeten things. It is no replacement for a PS4 or 720, for me at least, though. While I am not yet sold on either, I'll definitely buy one at launch. E3 shall reveal things I guess

 

Satanas

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Satanas

redDevil87


Edit: The marketing for the WiiU is pretty bad. I bet people don't even know what games are available for the console. Walk into most stores and the 360 and PS3 sections have all the shelf space. Nintendo need to do more work with retailers to push their stuff.

I still feel like the mainstream doesn't even know what it is. For a very long time I thought it was a new controller for the Wii/a portable Wii. Perhaps it's the terrible naming scheme, "Wii U". I mean come on. What a f//king terrible name.

And worst thing has yet to come, the announcement of PS4/720 and their release later this year...

Don't forget about the Wii and how it did with the 360 and PS3. The Wii U will be defined by software later on in the game (whether the software is good or terrible remains to be seen), not the prowess of its hardware. That wasn't the case this generation and everyone knows how the Wii did in the end-game.

One little difference... The Wii instantly sold like hot cakes. Furthermore, the Wii started at a lower price too, 250 bucks with a game packed. Third, it came with motion control as standard.


The WiiU with a game comes for 350, and the screen on a controller doesn't give the same buzz feeling that Wiimote gave. People know screens on a controller already from 3DS or PSVita, although that those aren't home console systems, the tablet controller isn't as appealing to the casuals as the Wiimote was.


Why? Because the casual moms and grandparents had no problem swinging that Wiimote in Wiisports. Now that same group of people don't get normal controllers. What the tablet controller basically is. Heck, its even more complicated than a normal game controller as it adds the touch to normal controls.


I do think the power of the hardware defines how the WiiU does, as Nintendo said this system is for the more hardcore gamer, not the casual one. As we all know the casual one doesn't care what hardware is inside. The hardcore gamer on the other hand does.

I see where you're coming from and I agree with a lot of it. But I still stand by exactly what I said - the Wii U will be defined by its software later on in the game. Which right now, is lacking. There isn't any compelling reason to buy a Wii U right now, and that was the same problem the PS3 had (also, a ridiculous pricepoint).


Having said that I agree that the thing is more targeted to the "core" than the last system and that's why I got one, in addition to the PS4 that I'd get when it lands. Bayonetta 2, 3D Mario, Zelda, Yoshi's Yarn and Metroid are already more exclusives than I could say I cared for on the PS3 or 360. I'd say a lot of Nintendo's install base buys the console for select Nintendo titles as it is - problem is, none of those games are around at the moment.

 


Oh, agreed on the problem that the PS3 had too at launch, little games to actually pay up that amount of monies for the console for. Heck, I didn't get the PS3 until the LittleBigPlanet PS3 bundle released at the end of 2008. It solved a couple of things, first at that time there were games that needed to be played like LBP, MGS4 little time before that too btw. Furthermore a pricelevel that was better, I paid 400 Euro for the PS3 that included LBP but also a special deal with a 2nd game which was Motorstorm 2 for me. Great deal I'd say both games costing around 50 to 60 at that time, so net price for the PS3 itself was around 300 Euro, for over 4 years back that was a fair price at that time. That LBP 80GB PS3 also just had the new smaller 65nm die for the Cell and GPU too, thus a lot less chance on YLOD.


Glad I waited out till then for buying one. BUT still PS3 and WiiU is a different story IMO. Although not enough games at launch for both, the PS3 had a far more technical aspect, or aspects even: the hardware was high spec as in you got a BluRay drive with it. A thing that costed one even up to 500 bucks to buy a normal BR videodrive. That wasn't a fact that made me buy one, yet still, WiiU doesn't have such an extra. Besides that, the rest of the hardware also assured that it head a lot of power to get tapped into to lets say... Now in 2013, almost 7 years after its launch, the PS3 still gives us The Last of Us for example. A game that looks very good, up there with todays PC games (although just in 720p I know not a 2500x1600 reso, but still looking VERY GOOD) and other great games coming up. The WiiU... Just got on par with this gens PS360. If it released 6 to 7 years back it would have been high tech too. Now it is like PS360 compared to whats out there, whats possible so far behind that I don't see it pushing great looking games out in 2020 like PS3 does it now 7 years after its release.


If you say, the compelling reason to buy a WiiU will arrive later and it is another Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong rehash... Sure it gets in sales. Yet there is a New Super Mario Bros on WiiU, it doesn't bring in the massive sales that the Wii did. I still think the sales that were so massive for Wii got in by the Wiimote, and the tablet controller won't do the same.


Plus, that software that has to release in fall and later this year/2014 might just be a little too late if PS4 gets released in fall, drops some major bombs with real next gen games, the 720 will be there also at the end of 2013 with another batch of great games, WiiU might have lost its moment by then. It is not selling to casuals as the Wii did and I doubt those casuals are looking out for another round of Mario and the more hardcore gamer lost interest by the time PS4/720 releases for WiiU. What will be left are just the diehard Nintendo fans that want their fix of decades old Nintendo characters for yet another time. Or well like yourself that got their last fix on N64 maybe. 


All of this makes me think that Wii was sort of a one time trick Nintendo pulled out of their sleeve and WiiU is going the Gamecube route again. The only way it has a chance is to drop the price by a major cut, something like Nintendo had to do to the Gamecube coming in at 99 bucks with a game even at one time. Certainly if both MS and Sony are able to keep the launch price of PS4/720 under control with a basic model for around 300 to 350 and a premium one for 400 to 450 or 500 max.

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If you say, the compelling reason to buy a WiiU will arrive later and it is another Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong rehash... Sure it gets in sales. Yet there is a New Super Mario Bros on WiiU, it doesn't bring in the massive sales that the Wii did. I still think the sales that were so massive for Wii got in by the Wiimote, and the tablet controller won't do the same.


Plus, that software that has to release in fall and later this year/2014 might just be a little too late if PS4 gets released in fall, drops some major bombs with real next gen games, the 720 will be there also at the end of 2013 with another batch of great games, WiiU might have lost its moment by then. It is not selling to casuals as the Wii did and I doubt those casuals are looking out for another round of Mario and the more hardcore gamer lost interest by the time PS4/720 releases for WiiU. What will be left are just the diehard Nintendo fans that want their fix of decades old Nintendo characters for yet another time. Or well like yourself that got their last fix on N64 maybe. 


All of this makes me think that Wii was sort of a one time trick Nintendo pulled out of their sleeve and WiiU is going the Gamecube route again. The only way it has a chance is to drop the price by a major cut, something like Nintendo had to do to the Gamecube coming in at 99 bucks with a game even at one time. Certainly if both MS and Sony are able to keep the launch price of PS4/720 under control with a basic model for around 300 to 350 and a premium one for 400 to 450 or 500 max.

I got my PS3 at launch so yeah, there was quite a drought of games for a while. I honestly feel the same about the Wii U - as far as the technical aspect goes, it is a console I don't expect to outperform the next gen consoles, and by the time those release I foresee a price drop to stay competitive. Where it will stay competitive is via its dual screen gameplay and first party titles - in other words, its gimmick, which (like last gen) I expect to far outdo whatever Sony has up its sleeve (I mean, no matter how much I like my PS3 I will never defend crap like the Sixaxis, PSEye or PS Move, what terrible, terrible ideas).


Interestingly enough NSMB games far outsell the higher-scoring and better received 3D Mario games. Those games are more for the core it seems, and I expect Nintendo to deliver as always with those titles. The Wii U isn't at a super attractive pricepoint yet, but it's also the only 'new' console out right now - I honestly think they're okay at this pricepoint until the release of the next gen consoles, then we'll probably see a diminished pricepoint and improved sales. They also need better marketing, because as I've said before, a lot of the mainstream don't even know what it is. Hell, I didn't until maybe just a few months before I decided to get one.


But yes, as you've said it depends a lot on what pricepoints we see the PS4 and 720 at (hopefully not 599 US Dollars).


Having said all of that, I'll be okay with the Wii U not doing particularly well. I have one already, and there are about 5 or so guaranteed titles that I plan to play on it (Bayonetta, Xenoblade, Mario/Metroid/Zelda/Yoshi) - anything else will be just a nice addition for me. For pretty much everything else I have my PC and PS4 or 720--both of which I expect to receive very similar libraries of games, now that exclusivity has gone towards an all-time low this gen

Satanas

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If you say, the compelling reason to buy a WiiU will arrive later and it is another Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong rehash... Sure it gets in sales. Yet there is a New Super Mario Bros on WiiU, it doesn't bring in the massive sales that the Wii did. I still think the sales that were so massive for Wii got in by the Wiimote, and the tablet controller won't do the same.


Plus, that software that has to release in fall and later this year/2014 might just be a little too late if PS4 gets released in fall, drops some major bombs with real next gen games, the 720 will be there also at the end of 2013 with another batch of great games, WiiU might have lost its moment by then. It is not selling to casuals as the Wii did and I doubt those casuals are looking out for another round of Mario and the more hardcore gamer lost interest by the time PS4/720 releases for WiiU. What will be left are just the diehard Nintendo fans that want their fix of decades old Nintendo characters for yet another time. Or well like yourself that got their last fix on N64 maybe. 


All of this makes me think that Wii was sort of a one time trick Nintendo pulled out of their sleeve and WiiU is going the Gamecube route again. The only way it has a chance is to drop the price by a major cut, something like Nintendo had to do to the Gamecube coming in at 99 bucks with a game even at one time. Certainly if both MS and Sony are able to keep the launch price of PS4/720 under control with a basic model for around 300 to 350 and a premium one for 400 to 450 or 500 max.

I got my PS3 at launch so yeah, there was quite a drought of games for a while. I honestly feel the same about the Wii U - as far as the technical aspect goes, it is a console I don't expect to outperform the next gen consoles, and by the time those release I foresee a price drop to stay competitive. Where it will stay competitive is via its dual screen gameplay and first party titles - in other words, its gimmick, which (like last gen) I expect to far outdo whatever Sony has up its sleeve (I mean, no matter how much I like my PS3 I will never defend crap like the Sixaxis, PSEye or PS Move, what terrible, terrible ideas).


Interestingly enough NSMB games far outsell the higher-scoring and better received 3D Mario games. Those games are more for the core it seems, and I expect Nintendo to deliver as always with those titles. The Wii U isn't at a super attractive pricepoint yet, but it's also the only 'new' console out right now - I honestly think they're okay at this pricepoint until the release of the next gen consoles, then we'll probably see a diminished pricepoint and improved sales. They also need better marketing, because as I've said before, a lot of the mainstream don't even know what it is. Hell, I didn't until maybe just a few months before I decided to get one.


But yes, as you've said it depends a lot on what pricepoints we see the PS4 and 720 at (hopefully not 599 US Dollars).


Having said all of that, I'll be okay with the Wii U not doing particularly well. I have one already, and there are about 5 or so guaranteed titles that I plan to play on it (Bayonetta, Xenoblade, Mario/Metroid/Zelda/Yoshi) - anything else will be just a nice addition for me. For pretty much everything else I have my PC and PS4 or 720--both of which I expect to receive very similar libraries of games, now that exclusivity has gone towards an all-time low this gen

One thing you didn't take into account though, if WiiU takes a pricedrop, Sony also is able to drop the price of the PS3 even when PS4 is there, and ofcourse MS the price of the 360 when the 720 is out.


Because basically, those 3 will get the same kind of games/ports for the coming time. The WiiU won't really be competing with the PS4/720, those will get the hardcore gamers first.


Seeing that the PS3 one can buy for around 200 to 230 bucks, a 360 not sure but probably about the same or just below, if they drop another 50 bucks, then the WiiU has to come down a lot from 300 to 350 bucks.


So either way, even with PS4/720 at launch being more expensive at 400 to 500, even a pricecut for WiiU won't do much as both Sony and MS will use their current gen devices as kind of 'fighting brands' to keep the market share with their brand on top. I really think Nintendo has brought themselve in a bad position now. Wii has a low pricelevel now, but consumers really have seem to abandoned the Wii hypetrain with the Wiimote for some time even at a low price. Even casuals now finally want HD consoles for their HDTVs.

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One thing you didn't take into account though, if WiiU takes a pricedrop, Sony also is able to drop the price of the PS3 even when PS4 is there, and ofcourse MS the price of the 360 when the 720 is out.


Because basically, those 3 will get the same kind of games/ports for the coming time. The WiiU won't really be competing with the PS4/720, those will get the hardcore gamers first.


Seeing that the PS3 one can buy for around 200 to 230 bucks, a 360 not sure but probably about the same or just below, if they drop another 50 bucks, then the WiiU has to come down a lot from 300 to 350 bucks.


So either way, even with PS4/720 at launch being more expensive at 400 to 500, even a pricecut for WiiU won't do much as both Sony and MS will use their current gen devices as kind of 'fighting brands' to keep the market share with their brand on top. I really think Nintendo has brought themselve in a bad position now. Wii has a low pricelevel now, but consumers really have seem to abandoned the Wii hypetrain with the Wiimote for some time even at a low price. Even casuals now finally want HD consoles for their HDTVs.

Yeah, you're thinking a little bit too much on ports and third-party games. First party is why most people go Nintendo.

Satanas

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One thing you didn't take into account though, if WiiU takes a pricedrop, Sony also is able to drop the price of the PS3 even when PS4 is there, and ofcourse MS the price of the 360 when the 720 is out.


Because basically, those 3 will get the same kind of games/ports for the coming time. The WiiU won't really be competing with the PS4/720, those will get the hardcore gamers first.


Seeing that the PS3 one can buy for around 200 to 230 bucks, a 360 not sure but probably about the same or just below, if they drop another 50 bucks, then the WiiU has to come down a lot from 300 to 350 bucks.


So either way, even with PS4/720 at launch being more expensive at 400 to 500, even a pricecut for WiiU won't do much as both Sony and MS will use their current gen devices as kind of 'fighting brands' to keep the market share with their brand on top. I really think Nintendo has brought themselve in a bad position now. Wii has a low pricelevel now, but consumers really have seem to abandoned the Wii hypetrain with the Wiimote for some time even at a low price. Even casuals now finally want HD consoles for their HDTVs.

Yeah, you're thinking a little bit too much on ports and third-party games. First party is why most people go Nintendo.

Oh no, I know that those 1st party games push systems, but... Wii was pushed the most by the Wiimote and Wiisports and also the hardware/software Wiifit stuff.


1st party games didn't sell the Gamecube, now did it?


The 1st party games alone won't make the big sales. And isn't Nintendos wish with this system that they would grab the hardcore gamer? When you only got 1st party, only the Mario and Zelda hardcore lovers will jump in. If you don't get, or get little 3rd party support the rest will leave that WiiU on the shelves to die, keep playing their PS360 and will jump straight on to the PS4/720. 


Heck, even the less core, the more casual gamer will look at the WiiU and its direct competitors PS360 and say 'wait the latter has a far bigger library of games, and is the cheaper alternative'. As we all know that the mass of people buys a console at the magical pricelevel of 200 bucks and below.


So no, I am not just thinking in 3rd party. For the target group that Nintendo wishes to sell the system too though I am spot on with the post I made before. The WiiU is in between 2 camps. The cheaper camp PS360 that plays more 3rd party and those that are on WiiU aren't really better versions. The core gamers that don't mind to spend some more money on better consoles will go for PS4/720.


All that is left for WiiU then is the die hard Nintendo 1st party fan, not the true casual one (as pointed out that one was looking at Wiimote as a simple controller unlike the tablet that is basically for them the 'complicated' controller again just a touchscreen added, so you pretty much lost that target group).


Again, look at the Gamecube, it sold 20 mln units with all those 1st party IP's on board, you gotta think in more than just 1st party to succeed...


And one other thing with 3rd party, this:






Wii 3rd party sales dropping since 2010, it already had little 3rd party support. With Wii sales for 3rd party shrinking already, WiiU not really adding sales for them, 3rd party will turn away from WiiU more and more. And we all know what happens if studios like EA will drop their support with sport games all together... Console that gets no Fifa, Tiger Woods, Madden etc support won't do well.

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Oh no, I know that those 1st party games push systems, but... Wii was pushed the most by the Wiimote and Wiisports and also the hardware/software Wiifit stuff.


1st party games didn't sell the Gamecube, now did it?


The 1st party games alone won't make the big sales. And isn't Nintendos wish with this system that they would grab the hardcore gamer? When you only got 1st party, only the Mario and Zelda hardcore lovers will jump in. If you don't get, or get little 3rd party support the rest will leave that WiiU on the shelves to die, keep playing their PS360 and will jump straight on to the PS4/720. 


Heck, even the less core, the more casual gamer will look at the WiiU and its direct competitors PS360 and say 'wait the latter has a far bigger library of games, and is the cheaper alternative'. As we all know that the mass of people buys a console at the magical pricelevel of 200 bucks and below.


So no, I am not just thinking in 3rd party. For the target group that Nintendo wishes to sell the system too though I am spot on with the post I made before. The WiiU is in between 2 camps. The cheaper camp PS360 that plays more 3rd party and those that are on WiiU aren't really better versions. The core gamers that don't mind to spend some more money on better consoles will go for PS4/720.


All that is left for WiiU then is the die hard Nintendo 1st party fan, not the true casual one (as pointed out that one was looking at Wiimote as a simple controller unlike the tablet that is basically for them the 'complicated' controller again just a touchscreen added, so you pretty much lost that target group).


Again, look at the Gamecube, it sold 20 mln units with all those 1st party IP's on board, you gotta think in more than just 1st party to succeed...


And one other thing with 3rd party, this:






Wii 3rd party sales dropping since 2010, it already had little 3rd party support. With Wii sales for 3rd party shrinking already, WiiU not really adding sales for them, 3rd party will turn away from WiiU more and more. And we all know what happens if studios like EA will drop their support with sport games all together... Console that gets no Fifa, Tiger Woods, Madden etc support won't do well.

I don't think the Wii U is going to outsell the PS4 or 720, or rather I should say that I do not expect it to at this point. That might change if randomly Nintendo drops the price by a ton, which would probably be a good move on their part.


My only point in that last post was people generally buy Nintendo consoles for their first party games (rather than any other game(s)), not that Nintendo consoles always sell well due to first party games.

After the sad UK software sales, the even worse January USA hardware sales just got in, ouch, just ouch...

"Gamasutra is reporting (or should we say tweeting?) that cumulative three-month Wii U sales have fallen 38% versus Wii’s first three months of availability in the US. If true – which it sounds like it is at this point – Nintendo’s new console sold just 55,000 units in the country last month. NPD tracked sales for five weeks this time around as opposed to the typical four, so Wii U moved only 11,000 units per week.
55,000 systems sold isn’t even close to the Wii’s January 2007 performance. Back then, the old console moved 436,000 pieces of hardware.

This news comes hot on the heels of a poor performance in the UK. January Wii U sales were at a measly 34,000 units, according to data collected by Chart-Track."


http://nintendoeverything...ells-only-55000-units/

TheMART at Xboxkings


After the sad UK software sales, the even worse January USA hardware sales just got in, ouch, just ouch...

"Gamasutra is reporting (or should we say tweeting?) that cumulative three-month Wii U sales have fallen 38% versus Wii’s first three months of availability in the US. If true – which it sounds like it is at this point – Nintendo’s new console sold just 55,000 units in the country last month. NPD tracked sales for five weeks this time around as opposed to the typical four, so Wii U moved only 11,000 units per week.
55,000 systems sold isn’t even close to the Wii’s January 2007 performance. Back then, the old console moved 436,000 pieces of hardware.

This news comes hot on the heels of a poor performance in the UK. January Wii U sales were at a measly 34,000 units, according to data collected by Chart-Track."


http://nintendoeverything...ells-only-55000-units/

I did not think the US sales were going to be amazing but holy ****.  As a WiiU owner myself I pretty sad.  Still excited for their upcoming games next year and Pikmin 3.

Wii U, more like Pii U.

 Get it, cause it stinks.