Next gen IS a leap.

I don't know what people are smoking with all these statements about 'don't expect a graphical leap next gen.' If there is anything achieved, is people don't know what they're looking at anymore to say this. The PS3 surpassed your average person's ability to take in nuance, perhaps. 

First off. 1080p. That's a bigger resolution leap than this gen. Heck, if you played HL2 on console, then play it on PC at 1080p, it's like playing a remake. That alone feels like a generational leap. You'll realize this with all the 1080 remasters that are for sure going to be coming out. Just wait til you see Uncharted, God of War, etc. in 1080p. You'll drop a duce. Heck, Resistance FOM would look great it 1080. It's about time consoles catch up to this resolution already. Other than looking sharp, it helps reduce aliasing. Not have jaggies stabbing your eyes is a huge deal. Jaggies MUST go!

2nd, you're looking at unreleased, first year games. Dur. Like the aforementioned RFOM, think back to how cheap that looks compared to even the best looking PS3 games now, much less PS4. Think about how some early games even come out on the previous consoles because they are still simple enough to do it. With that said, people's eyes are crap if they think PS4's graphics 'just look like PS3'. We get it, you can't afford a PS4, you've never played a PC, and are watching compressed youtube videos on your iphone. If they were handing out PS4s for free your ass would be excited.

3rd, other than just textures, shaders, and lighting, physics is such a crucial part of forward game development. Crysis 1 for PC, vs Crysis 2 and 3 for consoles shows this. Games have been held back for years now due to consoles and the PC not being the lead platform for how games need to run. It's all on the shoulders of the consoles, for everyone now. The faces alone on Deep Down crap on the collective faces of this gen, it's not even funny. Some companies spent years working on games to have faces that are now laughable in comparison.

Physics, animations, open immersing areas, amount of objects on screen, player count, enemy count, AI, etc., these things are going to be a big difference between these gens. If shaders, textures, lighting, and resolution don't excite you, then the former should. Trying to reduce next gen's potential down to a coat of shiny graphical paint is a completely unthoughtful stance. 

--- Mr. T

P.S. , I'm ready for that E3 stage.

    

   

Like I said in one of the articles, you will see that giant leap in 5 years when the devs are able to take full advantage of the PS4

There is a leap, a one, which will be obvious from launch, however graphics wise, leap won't be as big as the one from PS2 to PS3.

Mr Tretton

With that said, people's eyes are crap if they think PS4's graphics 'just look like PS3'. We get it, you can't afford a PS4, you've never played a PC, and are watching compressed youtube videos on your iphone.

Thing with this is, the current platform wars have led to people comparing small screenshots and gifs. Things like resolution and fine details aren't that noticeable in those kind of images, and many used that as an excuse to downplay the visuals on PC.
Now those people have to face the same visuals that they spent so much energy downplaying.


On the flip side, you have the people on the PC side that are downplaying the PS4's visuals because they can now use the same argument that was used against them... and because they're just jerks in general.


So it's trolls trolling trolls for being trolled.


The only small truth to not expect graphical leaps is that as the hardware improves, the gains will become less noticeable. However, we're not at that plateau yet.
... though I must say that showing gameplay for a game that wasn't just a scripted corridor shooter would've helped generate some more excitement though.

Have to agree this next gen XBOX and PlayStation is being labeled not a big graphic jump...  But I think other wise... 

going from SD to HD is yes a huge difference that does not mean we are not going to see a great jump in graphics...  That said... we are going to see a Huge difference with AI, Physics, and much more... lighting and small details that were never able to be put into games...

I think we will only see these things from the best developers... and I think we will see a huge difference from first year games compared to 5th year games...  and it will be a bigger difference than the games from last generation...

That said I can't wait till we get a chance to see both in action.   I hope both offer enough that getting both will be well worth it...

I pray that the fanboys stay away from the forums and just the people that like games rule them... muahahah

You will see the difference immediately.

I'm trying to locate the image, but someone post together three images, one of killzone 2, one of 3, and one of Shadows Fall. Shadows Fall is not that much different compared to the other two.

ZombieNinjaPanda


I'm trying to locate the image, but someone post together three images, one of killzone 2, one of 3, and one of Shadows Fall. Shadows Fall is not that much different compared to the other two.

Well the big differences are: Higher res (not just 720p)
Better textures
Better physics / complex computations
Better animations

You can't just compare still shots and say it hasn't improved imo.

They can do MUCH more than ever before, and i'm not talking just about graphics. but physics and super cool effects like PHSYX in borderlands 2

 Also remember that most current gen multiplat games weren't even 720p! Hopefully next gen also means the end of erratic framerates and screen tearing. And no more games designed with dvd limitations and lack of hdd in mind.

Well GT did a half hour analysis confirming Deep Down is real time. So yeah it's a pretty big leap. 

Rage_S90


Well GT did a half hour analysis confirming Deep Down is real time. So yeah it's a pretty big leap. 

Really I will have to look at that, because that game looks awesome... I like the feel it has to it.....

Deep Down . . . Hi-Res



People are too quick too judge, things take time.

Mr Tretton
First off. 1080p. That's a bigger resolution leap than this gen. Heck, if you played HL2 on console, then play it on PC at 1080p, it's like playing a remake. That alone feels like a generational leap. You'll realize this with all the 1080 remasters that are for sure going to be coming out. Just wait til you see Uncharted, God of War, etc. in 1080p. You'll drop a duce.

Oh yay, I can't wait to spend €400-€500 on a new console so I can play games that just released this generation looking a little better! This desire to constantly re-release games over and over again for minor graphical improvements is getting ridiculous now, and then people complain about companies ripping them off or about Sony not including backwards compatibility and asking people to pay to buy games they've already bought again.

With that said, people's eyes are crap if they think PS4's graphics 'just look like PS3'. We get it, you can't afford a PS4, you've never played a PC, and are watching compressed youtube videos on your iphone. If they were handing out PS4s for free your ass would be excited.

While I agree with you in saying that everyone should easily notice a decent difference in graphics from what we've seen of PS4 games to PS3 games, it's not an incredible, stunning, mind-blowing leap which is probably what some people (stupidly) expected. Then again that's why it's likely the PS4's price point will be way lower than that of the PS3 on launch. And of course someone would be excited if they were handed a free brand new console, what idiot wouldn't?

I'm still trying to figure out why people think that the games released at launch have been these huge graphical leaps, they haven't, go back and look at Call of Duty 2. It certainly looks better, but not crazy graphical leap better. Also the transition last gen was from SD to HD so that probably has a big impact on perceptions. As with every gen the leap does't happen till a few years in.

While it is not the immense jump from last gen to this gen, seeing PS4's hardware setup it IS a leap.

The 8 core AMD CPU with the APU hasn't been seen around in the PC market. AMD has even acknowledged that for PC their CPU/APU will come with less cores on the CPU (4 cores) and it will come without Sony's tech, where Sony's hardware division has worked together with AMD to create their own modifications on AMD's design.

We don't know yet what specific stuff Sony added or changed on the APU side, but probably they have some tricks there too.

Besides this, no PC has yet shown 8GB GDDR5 unified memory that is accessible from a CPU/APU, only GDDR5 for GPU's but not anything of this size. When AMD launches their 4 core Jaguar CPU/APU late this year for PC they might get some sort of that same memory setup, yet again, just a 4 core doing so.

Going from SD/480p to 720p was a blast. The direct change from 720p to 1080p does make a change though. When I watch a movie in 720p or 1080p it is a difference for sure and sure on the big TV's we have in living rooms these days.

The others on part of physics, textures, no pop in (open world games RDR, GTA etc), more enemies on screen at once, destructable environments. It'll just all feel like a leap from this gen in pretty much every way you look at it no doubt about it.

John Kratos


I'm still trying to figure out why people think that the games released at launch have been these huge graphical leaps, they haven't, go back and look at Call of Duty 2. It certainly looks better, but not crazy graphical leap better. Also the transition last gen was from SD to HD so that probably has a big impact on perceptions. As with every gen the leap does't happen till a few years in.

Well, yes and no.


When I saw COD2 running on the 360 on a HDTV, compared to the games running on my Xbox 1 on the SDTV, it was a HUGE leap. 


But sure, those launch games were developed when the console hardware wasn't even in a final state, often using little of the total power the console has. And Gears 1 hit 1 year after the 360 launched, and at that time pretty much feel like it really started next gen. For the PS3 it was another story because of the fact that Sony made the Cell a bitch, so developers took off slower to make the machine pump out the best visuals etc. I'd say they hit that around 2008/2009 with games like MGS4.


This time around though, PS4 has more PC like structure, and it seems they shared more with developers early on, so expect less of a wait for the usage of a lot of the total power that the PS4 holds.

TheMART at Xboxkings


While it is not the immense jump from last gen to this gen, seeing PS4's hardware setup it IS a leap.

The 8 core AMD CPU with the APU hasn't been seen around in the PC market. AMD has even acknowledged that for PC their CPU/APU will come with less cores on the CPU (4 cores) and it will come without Sony's tech, where Sony's hardware division has worked together with AMD to create their own modifications on AMD's design.

We don't know yet what specific stuff Sony added or changed on the APU side, but probably they have some tricks there too.

Besides this, no PC has yet shown 8GB GDDR5 unified memory that is accessible from a CPU/APU, only GDDR5 for GPU's but not anything of this size. When AMD launches their 4 core Jaguar CPU/APU late this year for PC they might get some sort of that same memory setup, yet again, just a 4 core doing so.

Going from SD/480p to 720p was a blast. The direct change from 720p to 1080p does make a change though. When I watch a movie in 720p or 1080p it is a difference for sure and sure on the big TV's we have in living rooms these days.

The others on part of physics, textures, no pop in (open world games RDR, GTA etc), more enemies on screen at once, destructable environments. It'll just all feel like a leap from this gen in pretty much every way you look at it no doubt about it.

Just so you know, AMD is also unveiling GDDR6 tech next year for PCs, which is set to annihilate GDDR5 
Also, Intel's Haswell line should be out this year. Next year will be a great year to buy a PC with all these killer-crazy new CPUs and GPUs that will be out. 

PC exclusives are going to start looking/playing way crazier than Planetside 2 on a full server and maxed settings. The graphical difference will be noticeable quickly, especially with consoles picking up slack by the end of this year with their new iterations. 

You're not taking into account that the majority of games right off the bat won't take advantage of 1080p.  It will be gradual, to the point you won't really notice it.  That's why it's not going to be a huge leap day one.  After this generation, we probably won't notice any large leaps between consoles, as we are already approaching realism.  

B Man


You're not taking into account that the majority of games right off the bat won't take advantage of 1080p.  It will be gradual, to the point you won't really notice it.  That's why it's not going to be a huge leap day one.  After this generation, we probably won't notice any large leaps between consoles, as we are already approaching realism.  

the matrix/ghost in the shell


that's the type of 'gaming' we'll actually have if we make it to the year 3000

Satanas

B Man


You're not taking into account that the majority of games right off the bat won't take advantage of 1080p.  It will be gradual, to the point you won't really notice it.  That's why it's not going to be a huge leap day one.  After this generation, we probably won't notice any large leaps between consoles, as we are already approaching realism.  

the matrix/ghost in the shell


that's the type of 'gaming' we'll actually have if we make it to the year 3000

By we, I mean the living.  Unless you're immortal, you'll never see that day.