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Xbox/Durango: Local Offline Play and Used Games Supported + Stacked BC (RUMOR) - Wednesday, April 10, 2013 1:27 PM ( #1 )

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Getting to the point there are going to be two console as part of the redesigned “Xbox Line” of products. A repackaged and reoriented Xbox 360 unit and the new “Durango” gaming console, both designed to compete with more than Sony in gaming, but against Apple as well.

When the Durango (game machine) launches, it will not support backwards compatibility for 360 games out of the box. Instead, this functionality will come from the other unit that will be networked with the Durango to provide this (not unlike the DVD add-on for the original Xbox).

The purpose of the smaller Xbox unit is to compete with Apple TV, but also provides XBLA and 360 game support which will give it an edge over Apple TV. The rumors of “always online required” comes from the smaller Xbox unit which may not have a disc drive and like Apple TV it would require a network connection and internet to provide any real functionality. It may be possible they will design both consoles to be stackable.

Durango itself will also always be online like any other device (correct with rumors), but it will not be a requirement to play local content and it will not prevent playing used games. Putting in an Xbox 360 disc into Durango will prompt the user to attach the supporting device that is sold separately. By separating the two devices and their functions it will ensure price competitiveness for both pieces of hardware. Microsoft’s delay in announcing these products from April goes more inline with not having a physical set of devices to show (among specification updates), which should be ready by May or June when this information is officially released.
The price goal of the smaller Xbox is $149 or lower and it is likely to not have a disc drive and would require a network connection. Durango will be priced competitively according to PS4′s price
UPDATE:
The “Xbox Mini” is not a 360 add-on, it is a stand alone product that contains Xbox 360 functions for gaming, and alone it is meant to compete with Apple TV. Since it is likely it will not have a disc drive, it is being designed with “always online” in mind, and with internet being required for Live functions. Xbox 360 Games can be played on it by purchasing Games on Demand on Xbox Live (for new purchases) or if already purchased, simply download it. 
This also applies to music and movies. To further clarify, the Durango will also have these (TV) functions, just with next-genration gaming hardware instead of Xbox 360 at a higher price.
When used with Durango, it offers connectivity with it for backwards compatibility with both disc based and On Demand games, and it’s no more different than what Sony will be doing with Gaikai for playing PS3 games on PS4, only with Xbox it will be done locally and not through the cloud. You can control the Xbox Mini under a single interface and not have to worry about switching between devices in a single display input. 

These connectivity functions cannot work with existing Xbox 360 units due to the difference in external interface. The Xbox Mini was designed for this along side Durango. 

As some of the folk on GAF are saying, this sounds like a proxy leak from MS being sent out to publications (Verge and Kotaku also have the same information) in order to stem the negativity going around. 
It's definitely not perfect, but damn it, it's some of the best MS based console news I've heard in a while and it makes sense given how mysteriously silent MS has been the past few months.

TLDR: Microsoft has big things popping, not doomed after all. Late May for reveal, interesting times ahead.
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Re:Xbox/Durango: Local Offline Play and Used Games Supported + Stacked BC (RUMOR - Wednesday, April 10, 2013 1:29 PM ( #2 )
One of the AppleTV's biggest competitive advantages is AirPlay. I don't see how this MicroXbox would compensate

Anyway, this all smells really hard of extreme rumor so I won't address the rest of it for now
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Re:Xbox/Durango: Local Offline Play and Used Games Supported + Stacked BC (RUMOR - Wednesday, April 10, 2013 1:52 PM ( #3 )
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One of the AppleTV's biggest competitive advantages is AirPlay. I don't see how this MicroXbox would compensate

Anyway, this all smells really hard of extreme rumor so I won't address the rest of it for now



DLNA...even the current Xbox supports it.
 
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Re:Xbox/Durango: Local Offline Play and Used Games Supported + Stacked BC (RUMOR - Wednesday, April 10, 2013 1:53 PM ( #4 )
sounds like a glorified cable-box that just happen to play games.
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Re:Xbox/Durango: Local Offline Play and Used Games Supported + Stacked BC (RUMOR - Wednesday, April 10, 2013 2:47 PM ( #5 )
Wait, so I'll have to buy an extra box to get all the capabilities of streaming apps that the original xbox 360 has, as well as to get backwards compatibility (Won't even have a drive so I'm assuming I'd have to re-purchase every game)?  Ugh, I think I'd rather just have the one box always online.
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Re:Xbox/Durango: Local Offline Play and Used Games Supported + Stacked BC (RUMOR - Wednesday, April 10, 2013 2:56 PM ( #6 )
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Wait, so I'll have to buy an extra box to get all the capabilities of streaming apps that the original xbox 360 has, as well as to get backwards compatibility (Won't even have a drive so I'm assuming I'd have to re-purchase every game)?  Ugh, I think I'd rather just have the one box always online.


Your purchased games are linked to you Live account bro, why would you have to repurchase them?
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Re:Xbox/Durango: Local Offline Play and Used Games Supported + Stacked BC (RUMOR - Wednesday, April 10, 2013 3:01 PM ( #7 )
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One of the AppleTV's biggest competitive advantages is AirPlay. I don't see how this MicroXbox would compensate

Anyway, this all smells really hard of extreme rumor so I won't address the rest of it for now



DLNA...even the current Xbox supports it.



Don't know if you've used AirPlay but it's far more intuitive and easy to use in my experience. I never use DLNA, well, for as long as I've had this AppleTV at least
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Re:Xbox/Durango: Local Offline Play and Used Games Supported + Stacked BC (RUMOR - Wednesday, April 10, 2013 3:35 PM ( #8 )
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One of the AppleTV's biggest competitive advantages is AirPlay. I don't see how this MicroXbox would compensate

Anyway, this all smells really hard of extreme rumor so I won't address the rest of it for now

wait, now you want to wait for an official announcement, because its just a rumor!  XD
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Re:Xbox/Durango: Local Offline Play and Used Games Supported + Stacked BC (RUMOR - Wednesday, April 10, 2013 3:46 PM ( #9 )
Leaked my ass, MS released this info. Good news either way, the offline play and used games support. Don't know what to think about the whole cable idea if true.

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Re:Xbox/Durango: Local Offline Play and Used Games Supported + Stacked BC (RUMOR - Wednesday, April 10, 2013 4:13 PM ( #10 )
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Getting to the point there are going to be two console as part of the redesigned “Xbox Line” of products. A repackaged and reoriented Xbox 360 unit and the new “Durango” gaming console, both designed to compete with more than Sony in gaming, but against Apple as well.

When the Durango (game machine) launches, it will not support backwards compatibility for 360 games out of the box. Instead, this functionality will come from the other unit that will be networked with the Durango to provide this (not unlike the DVD add-on for the original Xbox).

The purpose of the smaller Xbox unit is to compete with Apple TV, but also provides XBLA and 360 game support which will give it an edge over Apple TV. The rumors of “always online required” comes from the smaller Xbox unit which may not have a disc drive and like Apple TV it would require a network connection and internet to provide any real functionality. It may be possible they will design both consoles to be stackable.

Durango itself will also always be online like any other device (correct with rumors), but it will not be a requirement to play local content and it will not prevent playing used games. Putting in an Xbox 360 disc into Durango will prompt the user to attach the supporting device that is sold separately. By separating the two devices and their functions it will ensure price competitiveness for both pieces of hardware. Microsoft’s delay in announcing these products from April goes more inline with not having a physical set of devices to show (among specification updates), which should be ready by May or June when this information is officially released.
The price goal of the smaller Xbox is $149 or lower and it is likely to not have a disc drive and would require a network connection. Durango will be priced competitively according to PS4′s price.

As some of the folk on GAF are saying, this sounds like a proxy leak from MS being sent out to publications (Verge and Kotaku also have the same information) in order to stem the negativity going around. 
It's definitely not perfect, but damn it, it's some of the best MS based console news I've heard in a while and it makes sense given how mysteriously silent MS has been the past few months.

TLDR: Microsoft has big things popping, not doomed after all. Late May for reveal, interesting times ahead.




Great, only the more expensive console you are not forced to be online when you play, I'm not going to fall into that marketing scheme.

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Re:Xbox/Durango: Local Offline Play and Used Games Supported + Stacked BC (RUMOR - Wednesday, April 10, 2013 4:18 PM ( #11 )
If true, how will Microsoft make it work on an international scale.
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Re:Xbox/Durango: Local Offline Play and Used Games Supported + Stacked BC (RUMOR - Wednesday, April 10, 2013 4:21 PM ( #12 )
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If true, how will Microsoft make it work on an international scale.



They will concentrate on the US market.

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Re:Xbox/Durango: Local Offline Play and Used Games Supported + Stacked BC (RUMOR - Wednesday, April 10, 2013 4:26 PM ( #13 )
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Great, only the more expensive console you are not forced to be online when you play, I'm not going to fall into that marketing scheme.


You weren't going to fall into it regardless.

moegooner88


If true, how will Microsoft make it work on an international scale.


This is a valid question and one that MS will inevitably have to address. How will folks in South Africa, and say Egypt, other developing countries, heck even here in America deal with the need for an internet connection?

Honestly, both Sony and MS are in a bind with this BC thing. Streaming over Gaikai is out of the question for anyone without a stable connection, and needing an internet connection to use the Xbox Mini isn't going to work for everybody.


The only true solution here is to hang onto your PS360s, sad as that is to say, there will be no perfect solution for backwards compatibility.  
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Re:Xbox/Durango: Local Offline Play and Used Games Supported + Stacked BC (RUMOR - Wednesday, April 10, 2013 4:37 PM ( #14 )
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Great, only the more expensive console you are not forced to be online when you play, I'm not going to fall into that marketing scheme.


You weren't going to fall into it regardless.

moegooner88


If true, how will Microsoft make it work on an international scale.


This is a valid question and one that MS will inevitably have to address. How will folks in South Africa, and say Egypt, other developing countries, heck even here in America deal with the need for an internet connection?

Honestly, both Sony and MS are in a bind with this BC thing. Streaming over Gaikai is out of the question for anyone without a stable connection, and needing an internet connection to use the Xbox Mini isn't going to work for everybody.


The only true solution here is to hang onto your PS360s, sad as that is to say, there will be no perfect solution for backwards compatibility.  



You're right, cause I am just going to buy it and re-sell it for a profit.

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Re:Xbox/Durango: Local Offline Play and Used Games Supported + Stacked BC (RUMOR - Wednesday, April 10, 2013 4:41 PM ( #15 )
I honestly don't care about BC, always keep my consoles anyway. I'll buy a next-gen console for next-gen games, not old ones. 

I'll reserve my thoughts on the nextbox until it actually exists. Anyone remember that guy who emailed everyone about nextbox rumors a few months ago that he completely made up? Front page of most gaming sites that day. Not believing a word until it comes from someone who actually knows and is willing to put their name on it. 

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Re:Xbox/Durango: Local Offline Play and Used Games Supported + Stacked BC (RUMOR - Wednesday, April 10, 2013 4:47 PM ( #16 )
If there is a MS bundle with an SSD and without an optical drive, I will be siding with MS.

I hate optical drives...they are noisy, fragile, a bottleneck. A pain to repair.

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Re:Xbox/Durango: Local Offline Play and Used Games Supported + Stacked BC (RUMOR - Wednesday, April 10, 2013 5:06 PM ( #17 )
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One of the AppleTV's biggest competitive advantages is AirPlay. I don't see how this MicroXbox would compensate

Anyway, this all smells really hard of extreme rumor so I won't address the rest of it for now



DLNA...even the current Xbox supports it.



Don't know if you've used AirPlay but it's far more intuitive and easy to use in my experience. I never use DLNA, well, for as long as I've had this AppleTV at least
 
"play on xbox" it exists on multiple devices for music/movies/web browsing with no raw DLNA hassle you're thinking of. I'd imagine they will even take SmartGlass to the next level for Xbox 720 with HBO Go and games, etc. We'll see though...
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Re:Xbox/Durango: Local Offline Play and Used Games Supported + Stacked BC (RUMOR - Wednesday, April 10, 2013 5:58 PM ( #18 )
This rumour is just a BS as every other rumour, but it's nice to see one that actually makes some sense. Microsoft feel they've conquered SONY and are now looking to compete with the likes of Apple and Google. Online cablebox+gaming machine? I like that idea. I'm not big on the 2 seperate box idea though. Will I have to have the Xbox and its sidekick together next to my TV? Sounds kind of silly. 

I like what I see here. Digital distribution here we come.

Welcome to next gen:



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Re:Xbox/Durango: Local Offline Play and Used Games Supported + Stacked BC (RUMOR - Wednesday, April 10, 2013 6:05 PM ( #19 )
data caps and internet connectivity crap on your digital distribution. Good to see the regular xbox wont need that stupid online connection to actually, you know, play games.


All work and no play.. makes odion go something something
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Re:Xbox/Durango: Local Offline Play and Used Games Supported + Stacked BC (RUMOR - Wednesday, April 10, 2013 6:06 PM ( #20 )
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This rumour is just a BS as every other rumour, but it's nice to see one that actually makes some sense. Microsoft feel they've conquered SONY and are now looking to compete with the likes of Apple and Google. Online cablebox+gaming machine? I like that idea. I'm not big on the 2 seperate box idea though. Will I have to have the Xbox and its sidekick together next to my TV? Sounds kind of silly. 

I like what I see here. Digital distribution here we come.



I think the cable box idea is pretty stupid. They can't compete with Brighthouse, Verizon Fios, and the upcoming Google Fiber. Plus a Smart TV can do alot of things too.

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