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Are you for Obama to raise the minimum wage in America? - Wednesday, January 29, 2014 8:06 PM ( #1 )
President Barack Obama makes remarks on the economy in Washington in December.



Relatively few Americans — less than 5 percent of hourly workers — toil for the minimum wage today.Yet President Barack Obama’s push to offset years of inflation by raising the minimum wage to $10.10 an hour would ripple through the economy and touch the lives of millions more workers and their families


Q: Why not raise the minimum wage? 


Q: Many congressional Republicans and other opponents say that would dampen hiring or even spark layoffs at a time when the nation is struggling with high unemployment. They argue that much of the cost would be passed along to consumers as higher prices. And they say it isn’t an efficient way to help the poor, because many people earning the minimum wage are part of a middle-class or higher-earning households.
 
Q: So what do Obama and Democratic supporters say?

 
A: They say that raising the minimum wage would boost the economy and create jobs, because cash-strapped workers tend to spend any extra money that comes in. Supporters argue that boosting low wages would help narrow the gap between the nation’s poorest and richest families. And they say full-time workers with families shouldn’t have to live in poverty.


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Re:Are you for Obama to raise the minimum wage in America? - Wednesday, January 29, 2014 8:12 PM ( #2 )
It's a tough question. 

We need better jobs would be my answer.

Raising the minimum wage will only solve things temporarily (and possibly hurt the low end job market), but more importantly, it will create inflation.

So that increase won't mean anything after while and u'll be paying more to compensate for the minimum wage increase.

I honestly can't pick a side. I'd like minimum wage peeps (like me) to get a chance to get paid more, but the risks behind this door are very real. 

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Re:Are you for Obama to raise the minimum wage in America? - Wednesday, January 29, 2014 9:37 PM ( #3 )
Less than 5%? That number seems really low. At least for Maine. That also doesn't account for the people who make just over minimum wage, wouldn't that also result in them getting a raise?
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Re:Are you for Obama to raise the minimum wage in America? - Wednesday, January 29, 2014 9:42 PM ( #4 )
Nothing will ever solve the issue, which is that <1% of the people make the majority of "profit" out there and will continue to run businesses on the concept of "paying employees to do as much as possible for as little as possible so that they can make as much money as possible."  A Capitalistic market is not designed to help the poor, only give opportunity for those that can find it and make the rich more powerful.  

The only way to come close to solving this is socialism, but then you still have people in power abusing the system and poor people getting free rides on the dime of those who work and put money into the system.

In the end, we are just destroying ourselves and no matter if we revolt now over the issues we have now, they will come up again a century from now because there's no solving the core issue: We're human, many of us are greedy, people will do whatever it takes to gain more power/money.
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Re:Are you for Obama to raise the minimum wage in America? - Wednesday, January 29, 2014 9:49 PM ( #5 )
When you think about it, if the lower people get higher pay, then the people who already getting high pay may get a pay decrease. This will solve the huge disparity America is facing with the huge income gap.

I am for it.

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Re:Are you for Obama to raise the minimum wage in America? - Wednesday, January 29, 2014 9:54 PM ( #6 )
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When you think about it, if the lower people get higher pay, then the people who already getting high pay may get a pay decrease. This will solve the huge disparity America is facing with the huge income gap.

I am for it.



No way.

What will happen is the middle class will become smaller and the worker class will raise.

The big guns will never take a hit in their $$

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Re:Are you for Obama to raise the minimum wage in America? - Wednesday, January 29, 2014 10:05 PM ( #7 )
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When you think about it, if the lower people get higher pay, then the people who already getting high pay may get a pay decrease. This will solve the huge disparity America is facing with the huge income gap.

I am for it.



No way.

What will happen is the middle class will become smaller and the worker class will raise.

The big guns will never take a hit in their $$



Some will, and when they do, the other companies will take criticism for just laying off people or not hiring; so slowly they will adjust as well.

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Re:Are you for Obama to raise the minimum wage in America? - Wednesday, January 29, 2014 10:05 PM ( #8 )
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It's a tough question. 

We need better jobs would be my answer.

Raising the minimum wage will only solve things temporarily (and possibly hurt the low end job market), but more importantly, it will create inflation.

So that increase won't mean anything after while and u'll be paying more to compensate for the minimum wage increase.

I honestly can't pick a side. I'd like minimum wage peeps (like me) to get a chance to get paid more, but the risks behind this door are very real. 





Something I would also add is that small businesses and small town businesses would be hurt simply due to them not having the customer base to absorb the added expenditures. 


Now if we add in the inflation it would also add this would then hurt the workers whom already make 10.00 or more, due to them not receiving any increase but their funds not being able to buy as much they used to.

We've also ran into a situation that everyone is being pushed to go get a degree in college.  Due to this we're having a large number of over qualified people applying and receiving lower wage jobs, but then being burdened by financial difficulties and still not being able to afford luxury expenditures.  I believe the nation has gotten to the point that people feel to entitled to be given things instead of going out and earning them.
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Re:Are you for Obama to raise the minimum wage in America? - Wednesday, January 29, 2014 10:16 PM ( #9 )
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It's a tough question. 

We need better jobs would be my answer.

Raising the minimum wage will only solve things temporarily (and possibly hurt the low end job market), but more importantly, it will create inflation.

So that increase won't mean anything after while and u'll be paying more to compensate for the minimum wage increase.

I honestly can't pick a side. I'd like minimum wage peeps (like me) to get a chance to get paid more, but the risks behind this door are very real. 





Something I would also add is that small businesses and small town businesses would be hurt simply due to them not having the customer base to absorb the added expenditures. 


Now if we add in the inflation it would also add this would then hurt the workers whom already make 10.00 or more, due to them not receiving any increase but their funds not being able to buy as much they used to.

We've also ran into a situation that everyone is being pushed to go get a degree in college.  Due to this we're having a large number of over qualified people applying and receiving lower wage jobs, but then being burdened by financial difficulties and still not being able to afford luxury expenditures.  I believe the nation has gotten to the point that people feel to entitled to be given things instead of going out and earning them.



I didn't really understand your second paragraph. But people who are already making $10 an hr would get a raise, because they will naturally have their pay go up on the nature of the job. An example would be an armed security officer makes $10 an hr. Due to the new minimum wage and their job duty, they naturally deserve more than minimum wage, due to the nature of the job. So people who are making $10 an hr would get a pay raise.
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Re:Are you for Obama to raise the minimum wage in America? - Wednesday, January 29, 2014 10:17 PM ( #10 )
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When you think about it, if the lower people get higher pay, then the people who already getting high pay may get a pay decrease. This will solve the huge disparity America is facing with the huge income gap.

I am for it.



No way.

What will happen is the middle class will become smaller and the worker class will raise.

The big guns will never take a hit in their $$



Some will, and when they do, the other companies will take criticism for just laying off people or not hiring; so slowly they will adjust as well.



Unfortunately, I do not hold human nature in such high regards. I hope you are right, and I wish I could see the better in those people.

But they didn't get up there w/o screwing over others (directly or in-directly), as such is capitalism, so I do not hope for such socioeconomically enlightened behavior from them. 

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Re:Are you for Obama to raise the minimum wage in America? - Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:18 PM ( #11 )
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Something I would also add is that small businesses and small town businesses would be hurt simply due to them not having the customer base to absorb the added expenditures. 


Now if we add in the inflation it would also add this would then hurt the workers whom already make 10.00 or more, due to them not receiving any increase but their funds not being able to buy as much they used to.

We've also ran into a situation that everyone is being pushed to go get a degree in college.  Due to this we're having a large number of over qualified people applying and receiving lower wage jobs, but then being burdened by financial difficulties and still not being able to afford luxury expenditures.  I believe the nation has gotten to the point that people feel to entitled to be given things instead of going out and earning them.



I didn't really understand your second paragraph. But people who are already making $10 an hr would get a raise, because they will naturally have their pay go up on the nature of the job. An example would be an armed security officer makes $10 an hr. Due to the new minimum wage and their job duty, they naturally deserve more than minimum wage, due to the nature of the job. So people who are making $10 an hr would get a pay raise.



Well here in Illinois the minimum wage is already above 10.00 an hour.  I have family, friends and myself, whom all work some at min, sum above, and other way above.


When the state put the Minimum wage up those whom didn't earn more then the min received raises, but those at or above didn't receive any benefit. 

Now I live in a very small town (less then 400 person population) and our local businesses aren't hiring people to replace workers who leave their positions because they can't afford to pay that wage, and keep the doors open.

Now to  my point of my second paragraph before.  When you have a higher educated work force performing non skilled based jobs, those people still only earn the non skill pay because that's the job they are doing.  If we wouldn't push people into taking on ten's of thousands of dollars in debt to get a "better" education they would actually have more funds available for goods with a lower paying job.
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Re:Are you for Obama to raise the minimum wage in America? - Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:28 PM ( #12 )
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Well here in Illinois the minimum wage is already above 10.00 an hour.  I have family, friends and myself, whom all work some at min, sum above, and other way above.


When the state put the Minimum wage up those whom didn't earn more then the min received raises, but those at or above didn't receive any benefit. 

Now I live in a very small town (less then 400 person population) and our local businesses aren't hiring people to replace workers who leave their positions because they can't afford to pay that wage, and keep the doors open.

Now to  my point of my second paragraph before.  When you have a higher educated work force performing non skilled based jobs, those people still only earn the non skill pay because that's the job they are doing.  If we wouldn't push people into taking on ten's of thousands of dollars in debt to get a "better" education they would actually have more funds available for goods with a lower paying job.
 


lol University of Illinois only payed me 8.18$ per hour -_-



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Re:Are you for Obama to raise the minimum wage in America? - Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:47 PM ( #13 )
This is simply my opinion, but I'm not so sure if wages are the main problem...yes it is an issue, but I think a bigger problem would be healthcare costs.

I was reading an article about how a guy was charged some outrageous price for a snakebite, and that sort of thing is the norm....which is BS.

While I don't know a lot on the subject, I don't know any doctors or hospitals that are hurting for money. Medicine costs an outrageous amount. Why?  

I can understand surgery not being cheap, or extended hospital stays, but a simple ambulance ride shouldn't cost thousands, and it just gets worse year after year, but no one does anything. 

Something a bit off-topic.

It greatly annoys me when you read about someone who is low income, poor, whatever and they happen to have some stuff...lets say internet access, or they are a gamer and you have people who say things like, "Well they can't be all that poor if they have X or Y.". As if a person shouldn't have anything at all. It is possible to save money, use credit, find deals or even get things as gifts....imagine that. 


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Re:Are you for Obama to raise the minimum wage in America? - Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:56 PM ( #14 )
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It greatly annoys me when you read about someone who is low income, poor, whatever and they happen to have some stuff...lets say internet access, or they are a gamer and you have people who say things like, "Well they can't be all that poor if they have X or Y.". As if a person shouldn't have anything at all. It is possible to save money, use credit, find deals or even get things as gifts....imagine that. 



I agree. The sum of my things doesn't tell you my economic status. 


I get a ton of stuff from family/friends. I don't think I've ever bought a console myself (because I know my budget can't take it). But I have consoles, I have stuff. It, by a long shot, doesn't make me rich. 

HEY U POOR?! U aren't allowed to have gamign as a hobby! SO don't complain when the games go to 80$ per unit.

Oh.. ok. great logic there skippy

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Re:Are you for Obama to raise the minimum wage in America? - Thursday, January 30, 2014 12:07 AM ( #15 )
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This is simply my opinion, but I'm not so sure if wages are the main problem...yes it is an issue, but I think a bigger problem would be healthcare costs.

I was reading an article about how a guy was charged some outrageous price for a snakebite, and that sort of thing is the norm....which is BS.

While I don't know a lot on the subject, I don't know any doctors or hospitals that are hurting for money. Medicine costs an outrageous amount. Why?  

I can understand surgery not being cheap, or extended hospital stays, but a simple ambulance ride shouldn't cost thousands, and it just gets worse year after year, but no one does anything. 

Something a bit off-topic.

It greatly annoys me when you read about someone who is low income, poor, whatever and they happen to have some stuff...lets say internet access, or they are a gamer and you have people who say things like, "Well they can't be all that poor if they have X or Y.". As if a person shouldn't have anything at all. It is possible to save money, use credit, find deals or even get things as gifts....imagine that. 





Again because I'm in a small town I know things some people never see in the big cities.  The reason why Ambulances cost so much to use is due to the cost to run them.  You have to have special insurance's for wrongful death/malpractice, the cost to have them certified each year, and in Illinois you either have to go to Chicago or Springfield to get them certified.  Then the cost to train the EMT/Paramedics.


Now as far as the costs of health care.  I believe every hospital should have to put up a "menu" board with the costs for xrays, ct's, mri's, dr fee, room fee's, stitches (non major surgery items)   and then you can know how much your care cost, and if you look and know the prices for several hospitals in the area you would be able to chose the hospital that fits you the best.  We should also work on expand out out of appointment only dr's into more of a walk in clinic where you have a exam at x amount and then extra test run Y and z.  
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Re:Are you for Obama to raise the minimum wage in America? - Thursday, January 30, 2014 12:23 AM ( #16 )
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Again because I'm in a small town I know things some people never see in the big cities.  The reason why Ambulances cost so much to use is due to the cost to run them.  You have to have special insurance's for wrongful death/malpractice, the cost to have them certified each year, and in Illinois you either have to go to Chicago or Springfield to get them certified.  Then the cost to train the EMT/Paramedics.


Now as far as the costs of health care.  I believe every hospital should have to put up a "menu" board with the costs for xrays, ct's, mri's, dr fee, room fee's, stitches (non major surgery items)   and then you can know how much your care cost, and if you look and know the prices for several hospitals in the area you would be able to chose the hospital that fits you the best.  We should also work on expand out out of appointment only dr's into more of a walk in clinic where you have a exam at x amount and then extra test run Y and z.  



Yup, because they have to be kept on 'hold' 24/7, you are essentially paying them for all the waiting they did as well. You are not only paying for the meds they fed u in the ambulance, but also the hours they waited doing nothing. Because someone has to pay them right? 

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Re:Are you for Obama to raise the minimum wage in America? - Thursday, January 30, 2014 12:40 AM ( #17 )
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Again because I'm in a small town I know things some people never see in the big cities.  The reason why Ambulances cost so much to use is due to the cost to run them.  You have to have special insurance's for wrongful death/malpractice, the cost to have them certified each year, and in Illinois you either have to go to Chicago or Springfield to get them certified.  Then the cost to train the EMT/Paramedics.


Now as far as the costs of health care.  I believe every hospital should have to put up a "menu" board with the costs for xrays, ct's, mri's, dr fee, room fee's, stitches (non major surgery items)   and then you can know how much your care cost, and if you look and know the prices for several hospitals in the area you would be able to chose the hospital that fits you the best.  We should also work on expand out out of appointment only dr's into more of a walk in clinic where you have a exam at x amount and then extra test run Y and z.  



Yup, because they have to be kept on 'hold' 24/7, you are essentially paying them for all the waiting they did as well. You are not only paying for the meds they fed u in the ambulance, but also the hours they waited doing nothing. Because someone has to pay them right? 





Well our area is volunteers so they don't get paid, but in the cities or if you have a private ambulance heck even if your not a local tax payer (some cities/municipalities charge you if you don't live there) but yes if you have a full time department you have to pay the personal whom come running in an emergency.
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Re:Are you for Obama to raise the minimum wage in America? - Thursday, January 30, 2014 1:54 AM ( #18 )
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Something I would also add is that small businesses and small town businesses would be hurt simply due to them not having the customer base to absorb the added expenditures. 


Now if we add in the inflation it would also add this would then hurt the workers whom already make 10.00 or more, due to them not receiving any increase but their funds not being able to buy as much they used to.

We've also ran into a situation that everyone is being pushed to go get a degree in college.  Due to this we're having a large number of over qualified people applying and receiving lower wage jobs, but then being burdened by financial difficulties and still not being able to afford luxury expenditures.  I believe the nation has gotten to the point that people feel to entitled to be given things instead of going out and earning them.



I didn't really understand your second paragraph. But people who are already making $10 an hr would get a raise, because they will naturally have their pay go up on the nature of the job. An example would be an armed security officer makes $10 an hr. Due to the new minimum wage and their job duty, they naturally deserve more than minimum wage, due to the nature of the job. So people who are making $10 an hr would get a pay raise.



Well here in Illinois the minimum wage is already above 10.00 an hour.  I have family, friends and myself, whom all work some at min, sum above, and other way above.


When the state put the Minimum wage up those whom didn't earn more then the min received raises, but those at or above didn't receive any benefit. 

Now I live in a very small town (less then 400 person population) and our local businesses aren't hiring people to replace workers who leave their positions because they can't afford to pay that wage, and keep the doors open.

Now to  my point of my second paragraph before.  When you have a higher educated work force performing non skilled based jobs, those people still only earn the non skill pay because that's the job they are doing.  If we wouldn't push people into taking on ten's of thousands of dollars in debt to get a "better" education they would actually have more funds available for goods with a lower paying job.



Well it should be different if it happens nationally. The US government will push employers to raise people who are already getting $10 an hr because they will state that those people are getting underpaid compared to their line of work and the minimum wage. So I think it will be fine.

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Re:Are you for Obama to raise the minimum wage in America? - Thursday, January 30, 2014 2:09 AM ( #19 )
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Well here in Illinois the minimum wage is already above 10.00 an hour.  I have family, friends and myself, whom all work some at min, sum above, and other way above.


When the state put the Minimum wage up those whom didn't earn more then the min received raises, but those at or above didn't receive any benefit. 

Now I live in a very small town (less then 400 person population) and our local businesses aren't hiring people to replace workers who leave their positions because they can't afford to pay that wage, and keep the doors open.

Now to  my point of my second paragraph before.  When you have a higher educated work force performing non skilled based jobs, those people still only earn the non skill pay because that's the job they are doing.  If we wouldn't push people into taking on ten's of thousands of dollars in debt to get a "better" education they would actually have more funds available for goods with a lower paying job.



Well it should be different if it happens nationally. The US government will push employers to raise people who are already getting $10 an hr because they will state that those people are getting underpaid compared to their line of work and the minimum wage. So I think it will be fine.



I don't know what country you are living in mate, but it doesn't sound like US. I'm sure you've heard of Free-market / free-trade, yada yada. They prevent the US from doing just that. Obama has been "pushing" for minimum wage employers like McDonalds to increase pay from just the minimum wage. It hasn't happen, and it won't until a law pushes them along. So why on earth do you think anyone would listen to the Gov. if they are just 'pushing it' without a law enforcing it.

US Gov. has no power over business. Man, haven't you been reading the new for the last decade or so? Gov. doesn't do anything against the big corps. The big corps don't care about the 99% 






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Re:Are you for Obama to raise the minimum wage in America? - Thursday, January 30, 2014 2:49 AM ( #20 )
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I don't know what country you are living in mate, but it doesn't sound like US. I'm sure you've heard of Free-market / free-trade, yada yada. They prevent the US from doing just that. Obama has been "pushing" for minimum wage employers like McDonalds to increase pay from just the minimum wage. It hasn't happen, and it won't until a law pushes them along. So why on earth do you think anyone would listen to the Gov. if they are just 'pushing it' without a law enforcing it.

US Gov. has no power over business. Man, haven't you been reading the new for the last decade or so? Gov. doesn't do anything against the big corps. The big corps don't care about the 99% 










Honestly if we would put a 8 year term limit on all federally elected offices, eliminate all the benefits and pay from the legislators and their staff (stipend to travel to and from dc and small living allowance only received when in dc) disallow the politicians from owning stocks in a company that they over see the regulations for example if a politician over sees banking reform they can't own any bank industry stock or if they over see military spending they can't own  mcdonald douglas.  Make all political donations publicly disclosed even if it's a dollar, and no corp or union money allowed to be donated.  You'd be surprised how that would free up millions of dollars.
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