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Good job Mr. Chavez... - Monday, November 09, 2009 2:34 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8349745.stm

I wonder if he is stupid enough to invade Columbia for whatever **** reasons he dreams up with. Great way to destabilize the region some more Chavez.

My advise to him, Sit down, stop barking every 5 minutes about how you will "Stand against US influence" in SA. Let the USA and Columbia beat the damn drug traffickers. Sooner those drug traffickers are beaten, the sooner Columbia AND Mexico (and several other SA nations in that general region) will stabilize due to no more drug money funding wars.
 
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Re:Good job Mr. Chavez... - Monday, November 09, 2009 2:58 PM

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Re:Good job Mr. Chavez... - Monday, November 09, 2009 3:00 PM
Chavez sort of sucks, but I don't know about this "end the drug war" stuff.  South America makes a ****load of money of the drug trade and let's face it, drugs are fun.  Win/win.

Edit:  Drugs are bad, kids.
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Re:Good job Mr. Chavez... - Monday, November 09, 2009 3:07 PM
Jager


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8349745.stm

I wonder if he is stupid enough to invade Columbia for whatever **** reasons he dreams up with. Great way to destabilize the region some more Chavez.

My advise to him, Sit down, stop barking every 5 minutes about how you will "Stand against US influence" in SA. Let the USA and Columbia beat the damn drug traffickers. Sooner those drug traffickers are beaten, the sooner Columbia AND Mexico (and several other SA nations in that general region) will stabilize due to no more drug money funding wars.


well, he's not going to stop because his aim is to destabilize the region.. also, he interferes cause all evidence has pointed to him actually funding the guerillas in Colombia and getting money from their drug trafficking, so year.. this ain't gonna stop until he continues to piss off his country and military and they form a coup and kill him.. which he won't be missed at all...

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Re:Good job Mr. Chavez... - Monday, November 09, 2009 3:14 PM
You sure you wanna invade a country where the U.S. has interests? I'd reconsider, Mr. Chavez.

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Re:Good job Mr. Chavez... - Monday, November 09, 2009 3:18 PM
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You sure you wanna invade a country where the U.S. has interests? I'd reconsider, Mr. Chavez.


The dude is a paranoid quack... he probably believes that Russia will continue to ship arms and **** to Venu. if he goes to war against Columbia..
 
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Re:Good job Mr. Chavez... - Monday, November 09, 2009 3:20 PM
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You sure you wanna invade a country where the U.S. has interests? I'd reconsider, Mr. Chavez.


The dude is a paranoid quack... he probably believes that Russia will continue to ship arms and **** to Venu. if he goes to war against Columbia..



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Re:Good job Mr. Chavez... - Monday, November 09, 2009 3:54 PM

the next modern warfare game will be set in south america
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Re:Good job Mr. Chavez... - Monday, November 09, 2009 4:29 PM
Guys, sorry but you shouldnt be talking about something you dont remotely know.

The "region"  as you call it, never been stable or in any good shape for that matter. Venezuela is a peaceful country with peaceful people, but suffers cause Colombia  internal problems, from internal guerrilla warfare with the inevitable migration of colombians, to drug traffic.

There is a massive disinformation campaign against Chavez to try to picture him as a evil dictator and you are just falling in that trap.
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Re:Good job Mr. Chavez... - Monday, November 09, 2009 5:24 PM
raztad


Guys, sorry but you shouldnt be talking about something you dont remotely know.

The "region"  as you call it, never been stable or in any good shape for that matter. Venezuela is a peaceful country with peaceful people, but suffers cause Colombia  internal problems, from internal guerrilla warfare with the inevitable migration of colombians, to drug traffic.

There is a massive disinformation campaign against Chavez to try to picture him as a evil dictator and you are just falling in that trap.


considering he has tried to change the constitution over and over again until he finally got what he wanted; the FACT that there is evidence that venezuela has funded the FARC,  http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/03/25/chavez.betancourt/index.html , plus other similar instances.  The fact that he has repeatedly lied to his own people about the US, Colombia, the UN and other things to garner votes, the fact that he has closed down tv stations, newspapers, and other media outlets for not going along with party lines, the fact that he has frozen millions of people's assets and taken over companies (both foreign and domestic) - i say that you probably are the one misinformed.. considering the large amounts of people emigrating (fleeing) Venezuela to Miami and other American cities, plus the facts i just listed pretty much sums up the "evil dictator" image.. oh, and let's not forget that he says his hero is Fidel Castro, and he aims to be like him .. good luck Venezuela, your ignorance will lead you down the same path as Cuba

oh, and i don't think a  peaceful country spends billions of dollars on weapons, tanks, and helicopters from china and russia when it's people is on the brink of starvation and severe drought :-/
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Re:Good job Mr. Chavez... - Monday, November 09, 2009 5:41 PM
Jager


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8349745.stm

I wonder if he is stupid enough to invade Columbia for whatever **** reasons he dreams up with. Great way to destabilize the region some more Chavez.

My advise to him, Sit down, stop barking every 5 minutes about how you will "Stand against US influence" in SA. Let the USA and Columbia beat the damn drug traffickers. Sooner those drug traffickers are beaten, the sooner Columbia AND Mexico (and several other SA nations in that general region) will stabilize due to no more drug money funding wars.


The hate is strong in this one

Why didn't the U.S. move into the region back in the 80's when drugs were a  bigger problem?

Anyway, a cynic might say that the US fears China imposing their will on Chavez, the same way the Reagan Administration feared the Soviets imposing their will on Nicaragua. A few military bases in Colombia might solve that problem.

Either way, the US is gonna get what it wants. I doubt war will breakout.



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Re:Good job Mr. Chavez... - Monday, November 09, 2009 6:30 PM
raztad


Guys, sorry but you shouldnt be talking about something you dont remotely know.

The "region"  as you call it, never been stable or in any good shape for that matter. Venezuela is a peaceful country with peaceful people, but suffers cause Colombia  internal problems, from internal guerrilla warfare with the inevitable migration of colombians, to drug traffic.

There is a massive disinformation campaign against Chavez to try to picture him as a evil dictator and you are just falling in that trap.


http://www.gnn.tv/headlines/9548/Chavez_Kalashnikov_Factory_Plan_Stirs_Fear

Chavez purchased over 100,000 AK-103s from Russia, claiming they where needed to "Defend Venu. from the Evil American Empire blah blah blah". This was 2006.

2006:

Mexican Drug War (Or Civil war) Breaks out. Drug cartels Acquire massive amounts of AK-47s and AK-103s. Wonder where those Came from?

Colombian Civil war in 2006, FARC receives weapons and ammunition from Drug Cartels in Colombia, who in turn bought those weapons from Venu.

Doesn't take too much to connect the dots and see where alot of those AKs mr chavez bought from Russia ended up.




The hate is strong in this one

Why didn't the U.S. move into the region back in the 80's when drugs were a  bigger problem?

Anyway, a cynic might say that the US fears China imposing their will on Chavez, the same way the Reagan Administration feared the Soviets imposing their will on Nicaragua. A few military bases in Colombia might solve that problem.

Either way, the US is gonna get what it wants. I doubt war will breakout.


Cause Carter ignored what was going on in SA, and when Reagan became president, the Soviet union had invaded Afghanistan, so all eyes where on that.

Also liked how you skirted around the fact that Chavez just mobolized 15,000 troops to the Venu. - Colombian border.

Also, Hate? I don't hate the man, i just hate that he is doing something like this right now. He should be doing more to help Colombia fight against the Drug cartels instead of *Cough* supplying Drug cartels and FARC / ELN *Cough*.
 
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Re:Good job Mr. Chavez... - Monday, November 09, 2009 6:37 PM
this is a mute point.. he won't do anything cause he's just trying to agitate his population.. Castro used to do this all the time.. whenever stuff is getting really bad in the country, they'll go on another rant, blame the US, blame everyone else, arm the troops, and claim war is at the cusp.  Chavez is trying to keep the troops and citizens of Venezuela from thinking about how bad things are in Venezuela right now.  And I can't lie and say the US is perfect and never does anything.. every nation tries to out maneuver the others and set things right; but to be fair, the US has been involved with Colombia for a long time now, and has spent billions in helping Colombia to fund the military and police and has actually made Colombia safer in the past couple years than it has been for years before.  There is a reason why the government and people of Colombia like and maintain the United States presence and assistance.. Chavez is just trying to use them and the US as a scapegoat to hide his horrible mismanagement and administration. 
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Re:Good job Mr. Chavez... - Monday, November 09, 2009 7:39 PM
Firstly, raztad got owned

secondly

@jager

"and when Reagan became president, the Soviet union had invaded Afghanistan, so all eyes where on that."

Reagan established what later became known as the Taliban to combat the soviets. Any crimes by other countries are by far outdone by the U.S.

"The mujahideen were significantly financed and armed (and are alleged to have been trained) by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) during the Carter[5] and Reagan administrations, the government of Saudi Arabia, Zia-ul-Haq's military regime in Pakistan, Iran, the People's Republic of China and several Western European countries. The Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) was the interagent used in the majority of these activities to disguise the sources of support for the resistance. Under Reagan, US support for the mujahideen evolved into an official U.S. foreign policy, known as the Reagan Doctrine, which included U.S. support for anti-Soviet resistance movements in Afghanistan, Angola, Nicaragua and elsewhere."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujahideen#Afghanistan
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Re:Good job Mr. Chavez... - Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:12 PM


I for one like Hugo Chavez. I think he is making the correct move.
Colombia have made a deal with US allowing the US to build new military bases in Colombia and it is already known that they are building at least seven new military bases.  They officially claim that they are to be used to combat drug trades in the region since they are closing their basses on Manta and Ecuador. But none of their new bases are begin build near  the Pacific Ocean where the aircrafts from Manta were patrolling with great success. three of the basses are being  build closer to the ones that they already have and its closer to Venezuela then the Pacific Ocean. 

Why not build a base closer to the Pacific Ocean so they can start patrolling the area they did before which they did success.  The deal have upset all of Latin America not just Venezuela.

I also think the deal with the US is bad for the Colombian people  since the US military is  above the law. I know they already are but there will be more troops now which means more crimes will be caused by soldiers. The few troops that are their now have already been charged for rape and for production of child porn but they can't be convicted since they are above law. They have also sold weapons and ammunition to paramilitary groups. The very people they now will send even more troops to  "help" fight. I can also add drug smuggling to the list.

The CIA have also been trafficking drugs from Venezuela and other places.

All governments lie to the people just look at the US so much **** has happened over the last years that I can't even be bothered to talk about it since you must have heard know of at last one thing where they weren't telling the truth or during something illegal. If you can't think of ONE thing I will be happy to point it out. The US have also supplied weapons to terror groups and helped overthrow democratically elected governments

I was a supporter of FARC in till they stopped their social programs and forgot what they were really fighting for because of the harsher attacks which happened due to Plan Colombia. Now they are just a militant terror force which the people dislike. Before that it was poor peasants fighting for their rights and  their lives. They had good ideas for social programs and wanted democracy.

So I for one think Chavez is during the right thing. I mean you never know if some Norwegian fruitcake blew up a bomb in a US shopping mole. That might make them declare war oh no wait  you don't declare war. Attack Venezuela to find weapons of mass destruction


 

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